sscamaroburn02

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i made 431 on a stingy dyno and almost all the boltons with a budget setup. I could have used aftermarket heads like AFR or TFS and made closer to 450. I would say 500 is a little on high side considering only a handful have achieved this. its pretty common to see 450 on these cars stock cubes.

getlearned

I'm pretty sure what my buddy and I were arguing was a mild H/C/I + bolt-on build. I've only ever owned three cars of my own and I only know a limited amount about any of them. I'd love a heavy-hitting, 500RWHP+ LS1 SS/WS6. Not to start a Ford vs. GM war, but ####### Mustang drivers are know-it-all douchebags. Whiners too.

I think I'm secretly a GM nutswinger.. :p

lemons12

iTrader: (71)

exhaust intake and 150 hit fuel pump objectors tune..500 plus all day

getlearned

Are you saying exhaust, intake and a 150 shot of nitrous? No doubt that's a 500+RWHP combo, but I don't like bottles. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you. The whole "150 hit fuel pump objectors" is throwing me for a loop.

Anyone ever heard of just a cam + LS intake making 400-415RWHP?

lemons12

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Yes I am saying that. Sry I am at work typing from phone.

Nothing wrong with bottle as long as you set it up correctly. Instant hit like na and give same HP tq as do can. If you have ever had nitrous you would fall in love I promise.

You mean cam and intake only no exhaust or anything? Not sure about that but there are eplenty of 400+ cam only cars.

Jay-P

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I'm retty sure his comma and / buttons are broke, but you get what he is saying.

lemons12

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On my comp I actually type very proper with no abreviations Nd correct punctuation. I'm just lazy on phone.

thunderstruck507

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6 speed cam/bolt ons with ls6 intake cars with larger cams (ms3/ms4, trex, etc) are expected to make ~410-420 rwhp

there are even several automatic cars I've seen on here hit 400rwhp without ported/aftermarket heads

getlearned

Nitrous isn't something I'm afraid of nor do I disprove and make a mockery of people who use it, but a turbo/supercharger better fits my style (hence the turbo GSR Civic and supercharged Cobra). I want constant power that is always there without the need to refill. Please, nobody take that the wrong way, especially nitrous-powered vehicle owners. To each their own is what I'm getting at I think. :p

And when I say a cam/intake (LS6 in this case), that's what I mean. No other kind of mods (i.e. throttle body, cold air intake, longtubes, etc.). Because now the same guy is trying to feed me that cammed/LS6 intake LS1s make 400+RWHP. I just don't know about my 'friend' anymore.

lemons12

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just tell your friend to log on here so we can make fun of him, sounds like a complete idiot.

disc0monkey

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i got all excited and ****, thought you were asking average horsepower throughout an rpm range.

BADD SS

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I would say average is 420.....hell there are very few at 500, a bunch at 450, a bunch at 430 and alot at 400 rwhp too..... even some under..... But there are lots of reasons why, im sure alot of them are simply set up, and or tuned wrong but still..

getlearned

That's where the car community starts failing each other. I don't want him humiliated, I want to show him other LS1 folks agreeing he's out of his mind. Maybe I can educate him through my education so we as a community have one less mindless enthusiast running around.

Although the guy is pretty adamant about a cam only/cam + LS6 intake only LS1 making 400+RWHP. Then he'll link me to videos of a Camaro with full bolt-ons and an o/r Y with MS4 cam and a tune making 404RWHP to back up his claim. That and a Camaro running 11.9 with "just a cam and bolt-ons," although the description clearly states cam, bolt-ons, exhaust and drag radials.

lemons12

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I'd say I have an above average setup especially for what it is and run quicker times than the majority and i make way less HP than most hc cars.. my tuner is well above average.. the dyno I get tuned on reads extremely low.

lemons12

iTrader: (71)

That's no fun though.. sounds like he doesn't want to learn to me.

getlearned

Not wanting to learn and not being taught are two completely different things. Who knows, he may have tried at one point to learn, but if he came across online like he does in person, no doubt he got a backhand welcoming.

Red99TA

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You're not going to make 400+RWHP with a stock TB, pulley, air intake, exhaust manifolds, catted y-pipe, and stock catback exhaust unless you're spraying. Like you said that number is definitely doable cam-only but it requires supporting mods such as headers, CAI, etc. I actually made 400RWHP on an LS6 intake, cam-only setup but that was with LT's, ORY, magnaflow catback with a cutout, UD pulley, lid, and a tune.

Chrome355z

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400rwhp with cam only (full bolt on is a given) is typical for a M6 car.

500rwhp is tough on a M6 car, but with $$$$ heads, cam, intake it can be done; but you are talking $5k easy (not counting bolt ons).

75% of H/C/I LS1s are using budget heads and probably in the 440-450rwhp mark. (M6)

A4 numbers are hard to compare.

getlearned

In all fairness though, that isn't JUST an LS6 intake/cam either. Maybe he means something entirely different, but when I'm told LS6 intake/cam only, to me that's nothing more (no radials, longtubes, cold air intake, etc.).

That's like a stock SS with a 125 shot. Not so stock huh?

Red99TA

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I was actually trying to agree with you as far as not being able to make 400 with just the cam and an LS6 intake with everything else being stock. On this board "cam only" typically means a cam with other bolt-ons as well - supporting mods like the ones I listed above.