LS6 or BBK intake
I'm sorry but I had to chime in. I just bought a bbk as well and I gotta say that unless you're making your living off of racing the FAST is an over priced piece of ****!! The people that create it are obviously greedy ******** with no real concern for the average consumer. Consider hp to $$$ ratio over the ls6 or bbk and say **** FAST!!!
QFT!
That intake should cost no more than the BBK.
Wow...
While I will agree the fast is over priced, how many big cube engines do you see on this board? A lot. Put a bbk on a 408 or larger with a healthy cam and good set of heads and then swap out to a fast and see how much you gain...
The selling point of the fast is its versatile. It leaves a lot of room to grow. It works great on a stock engine and great on big cube solid roller monsters.
The bbk or ls6 intake are both great choices for stock cube engines with bolt on's to mild heads and cam stock cube engines. Once you add cubes and bigger cam's to match, both become a restriction.
My thought on this is...do it once, do it right. If you have no plans to increase cubes, stick with a bbk or ls6, otherwise...fast hands down.
While I will agree the fast is over priced, how many big cube engines do you see on this board? A lot. Put a bbk on a 408 or larger with a healthy cam and good set of heads and then swap out to a fast and see how much you gain...
The selling point of the fast is its versatile. It leaves a lot of room to grow. It works great on a stock engine and great on big cube solid roller monsters.
The bbk or ls6 intake are both great choices for stock cube engines with bolt on's to mild heads and cam stock cube engines. Once you add cubes and bigger cam's to match, both become a restriction.
My thought on this is...do it once, do it right. If you have no plans to increase cubes, stick with a bbk or ls6, otherwise...fast hands down.
I think your six of one, half dozen of the other between the two intakes. Just get what you like or can afford. If I could only choose between those two I would prefer the LS6 myself, even if the BBK is worth 5hp more. In the end, just buy the FAST anyways. Its more $$ but it makes more power everywhere, on any engine.
There also is a lot of "Sour Grapes" about the FAST intake in this thread. The FAST simply makes more power than all other plastic manifolds, it is not over priced or someone else would move quickly to make a competing manifold at a lower cost. They simply can not make one, they have tried and failed. The FAST has tons of R&D time and cost, its not simply the cost of plastic and the manifold magically makes more power.
There also is a lot of "Sour Grapes" about the FAST intake in this thread. The FAST simply makes more power than all other plastic manifolds, it is not over priced or someone else would move quickly to make a competing manifold at a lower cost. They simply can not make one, they have tried and failed. The FAST has tons of R&D time and cost, its not simply the cost of plastic and the manifold magically makes more power.
I think your six of one, half dozen of the other between the two intakes. Just get what you like or can afford. If I could only choose between those two I would prefer the LS6 myself, even if the BBK is worth 5hp more. In the end, just buy the FAST anyways. Its more $$ but it makes more power everywhere, on any engine.
There also is a lot of "Sour Grapes" about the FAST intake in this thread. The FAST simply makes more power than all other plastic manifolds, it is not over priced or someone else would move quickly to make a competing manifold at a lower cost. They simply can not make one, they have tried and failed. The FAST has tons of R&D time and cost, its not simply the cost of plastic and the manifold magically makes more power.
There also is a lot of "Sour Grapes" about the FAST intake in this thread. The FAST simply makes more power than all other plastic manifolds, it is not over priced or someone else would move quickly to make a competing manifold at a lower cost. They simply can not make one, they have tried and failed. The FAST has tons of R&D time and cost, its not simply the cost of plastic and the manifold magically makes more power.
however, I do believe it could be cheaper. But, thats good business sense because everyone wants one. you show up at the local drag strip and just about every car running 11's or lower that is N/A, and not spraying has a FAST intake or a 4150 TB and a single plane. either route, your still spending 1k plus on an intake setup that will support that kind of power.
the simple fact is, the LS6, BBK, PP Typhoon...etc cant compete with the FAST or the Comp would be dropping the price of the FAST to get people to buy them over the BBK etc...
thats like saying QTP stainless LT's should cost the same as painted pacesetters...
Like SweetS10V8 said, there is a metric **** ton more R&D and versatility to be had out of the FAST, that is why it is so expensive.
If the BBK had the ability to support the power levels the FAST can, it would have just as much R&D in it and I guarantee it would cost more simply because you can mold and produce plastic cheaper than you can aluminum.
i do disagree, i ported out my ls6 intake and the stock throttle body. yea i could pick up about maybe 10 hp at the wheels with a fast set up but i am also stock cube and bottom end. you dont need a fast to get into the 11s. and you can hog out the snout of the ls6 intake to accept a 85mm throttle body. you loose the factory o ring type seal if you do it yourself. i also acquired my intake for cheap as well. i believe lingenfelter does a mod where they put a 90mm snout on a ls6 but its about as much as a fast intake in the end. yes the fast allows you room to grow. but ultimately it depend on your budget and what you are confortable with spending. i like my ls6 and it has been a good bang for the buck. all intakes also come up for sale in the parts section used. some also say there are problems with a fast with forced induction and switch back to a ls6 intake. you can always pm me if you have more questions.
and here is one link to the home made 85mm ls6 intake. you already have the throttle body and the intake now just get some rtv and a dremel. or ship me your throttle body and i'll ship you my ported stocker
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-question.html
and here is one link to the home made 85mm ls6 intake. you already have the throttle body and the intake now just get some rtv and a dremel. or ship me your throttle body and i'll ship you my ported stocker
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-question.html
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There also is a lot of "Sour Grapes" about the FAST intake in this thread. The FAST simply makes more power than all other plastic manifolds, it is not over priced or someone else would move quickly to make a competing manifold at a lower cost. They simply can not make one, they have tried and failed. The FAST has tons of R&D time and cost, its not simply the cost of plastic and the manifold magically makes more power.
ive always loved this thread on the bbk vs the fast. fast make great power... bbk makes great power. two companies do great r&d on their products. one thing i would consider looking at... bbk ssi are made with 3 bolt mounts for the ls1 ls6 throttle bodies, as where the fast is set up with a 4 bolt. bbk ssi was designed around the ls1 ls6 applications before the gen 4 motors came out... the fast come with 4 bolt, just like the gen 4 set ups... fast made their 78 intake which was negligable gains over an ls6, then steped to the 90. the 90 is very versital and highly sought out for its gains. the bbk is a great piece to any nitrous guru due to nitrous back fire wont destroy a stronger aluminium piece. the bbk has a generous amount of material so that porters can match to heads. also on the bbk, it was sized to 85 which is what the factory maf is sized for... bbk is designed for budget minded builder who wants power with out breaking the bank. the fast is a great piece for an all out motor build. keep in mind even an ls7 has a 90mm manifold...bigger has more potential, but isnt always best
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The fast is the best no doubt about it , the bbk is second ,not a close second either.
That being said i have a 1998 ls1 camaro (ls1 intake) and i live in oshawa ( 2 miles north of the camaro plant) canada for me to run a fast intake it would cost over $2000 as compared to $600 for the bbk , $1400 for mayby 10-15 rwhp is stupid for that money i could buy bmr tubular k member underdrive pully and electric water pump and have the same rwhp , be lighter and have left over for a tank of gas!
Comp cam is gouging us they already have the molds and r and d done on the fast 90/92 and everone knows it is still a better intake than the bbk so why did they stop making it?
So they can sell us more product in the way of throtle bodies and fuel rails the average guy dose not need a 102 mm throtle body what is that like 1300 cfm that is bigger than a dominator carb lol and nascar make 900 plus hp with 850 cfm .
For that and a few other reasons (going blown or n2o) i ordered the bbk.
Go F your self Comp Cam
That being said i have a 1998 ls1 camaro (ls1 intake) and i live in oshawa ( 2 miles north of the camaro plant) canada for me to run a fast intake it would cost over $2000 as compared to $600 for the bbk , $1400 for mayby 10-15 rwhp is stupid for that money i could buy bmr tubular k member underdrive pully and electric water pump and have the same rwhp , be lighter and have left over for a tank of gas!
Comp cam is gouging us they already have the molds and r and d done on the fast 90/92 and everone knows it is still a better intake than the bbk so why did they stop making it?
So they can sell us more product in the way of throtle bodies and fuel rails the average guy dose not need a 102 mm throtle body what is that like 1300 cfm that is bigger than a dominator carb lol and nascar make 900 plus hp with 850 cfm .
For that and a few other reasons (going blown or n2o) i ordered the bbk.
Go F your self Comp Cam
They stopped making the 92 and previous versions because it makes no sense to carry 2 products that do the same thing. Since the fast 102 works on all engines very well, why still make the 90?
Also comp is not gouging anyone. The 102 will accept smaller throttle bodies. You have to buy fuel rails, big deal. Most people buy different rails when they go with a fast anyways.
Also comp is not gouging anyone. The 102 will accept smaller throttle bodies. You have to buy fuel rails, big deal. Most people buy different rails when they go with a fast anyways.
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Why still make the 90 because im sure there are alot of people like myself who would buy it if they did, do you ever see how fast and for how much money they sell for used why is that?
Because alot of people dont want to buy everything new or dont need 102mm opening .
afr sells more than just one ls1 head right?
why?
because you dont always need the biggest or baddest part to make your car run right.
Because alot of people dont want to buy everything new or dont need 102mm opening .
afr sells more than just one ls1 head right?
why?
because you dont always need the biggest or baddest part to make your car run right.
If one afr head produced the best gains on all sizes and combinations of engines, you bet your *** they would only make one.
Fact is, the 102 makes more power on any engine than any previous fast models...so why continue to make an inferior product?
Don't you find it odd that people are willing to pay more for a 90 setup than a 102?...the term, "more money than brains" comes to mind.
Fact is, the 102 makes more power on any engine than any previous fast models...so why continue to make an inferior product?
Don't you find it odd that people are willing to pay more for a 90 setup than a 102?...the term, "more money than brains" comes to mind.
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I guess your right , i also guess someone should tell edelbrock since the super victor makes more power than a performer or performer rpm they should stop making them even though they sell 10 times as many or the rpm than the super victor .
And im sure the afr 245 makes more power than the 215 but they still continue to make the 215cc head why?
I know and so do most people its all about combination and drivability and power where you need it and most importantly for most of us budget its not how fast you want to go its how fast can you afford to go.
Please dont take offence to this i am not directing this at you just want people to know the truth. Plus i need to vent sometimes lol.
P.S. the cake to people ratio is not good and i havent recived my paycheck
And im sure the afr 245 makes more power than the 215 but they still continue to make the 215cc head why?
I know and so do most people its all about combination and drivability and power where you need it and most importantly for most of us budget its not how fast you want to go its how fast can you afford to go.
Please dont take offence to this i am not directing this at you just want people to know the truth. Plus i need to vent sometimes lol.
P.S. the cake to people ratio is not good and i havent recived my paycheck
John...
Don't take this the wrong way, but if you want people to know the truth, stop lying to them.
The difference between different sized heads and a fast 102 is, the fast 102 will make the most power on any engine. If you put a set of 215 heads on a 450+ cube stroker, your going to choke it. Same if you put a set of 245+ heads on a stock 346, it's going to be way too much cylinder head for that engine.
But, if you bolt a fast 102 on a stock 346, your going to make the same or more power than it would if you put a fast 90 on it. On the same token, you can swap that same 102 off the stock 346 and put it on an lsx solid roller 454 and still make more power than the 90.
Also, the 102 was designed to work with all cube engines. The inlet size has almost nothing to do with power output or needs.
I laugh when I see people paying the same for a used fast 90 intake as a brand new, better 102 because they think a 102 is too big for their application. As it stands right now, you can buy a brand new 102 intake and a brand new 90/92 throttle body for the same price as a used 90/90 setup.
So if you can't see by now, not only does it not make sense to buy a 90 setup used, it makes no sense for fast to continue to make it, esp when the 102 will do everything and then some that the 90/92 will do.
Don't take this the wrong way, but if you want people to know the truth, stop lying to them.
The difference between different sized heads and a fast 102 is, the fast 102 will make the most power on any engine. If you put a set of 215 heads on a 450+ cube stroker, your going to choke it. Same if you put a set of 245+ heads on a stock 346, it's going to be way too much cylinder head for that engine.
But, if you bolt a fast 102 on a stock 346, your going to make the same or more power than it would if you put a fast 90 on it. On the same token, you can swap that same 102 off the stock 346 and put it on an lsx solid roller 454 and still make more power than the 90.
Also, the 102 was designed to work with all cube engines. The inlet size has almost nothing to do with power output or needs.
I laugh when I see people paying the same for a used fast 90 intake as a brand new, better 102 because they think a 102 is too big for their application. As it stands right now, you can buy a brand new 102 intake and a brand new 90/92 throttle body for the same price as a used 90/90 setup.
So if you can't see by now, not only does it not make sense to buy a 90 setup used, it makes no sense for fast to continue to make it, esp when the 102 will do everything and then some that the 90/92 will do.
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Dont take this the wrong way he says then calls me a lyar lol nice.
Listen like i said before it was not directed at you i even tried to have some light hearted fun with some Miltin quotes (your avitar movie office space).
i agree the fast 102 is the best bye a mile and yes i know that the size of the opening has very little efect on the motor so long as it is not to small , runner length shape and taper are much more important also plenom volume, and i know they rasied the hieght of the intake for all the reasons making an ls2 fuel rail nessasary.
But as you said the performance difference on a stock 346 between a fast 90 and a fast 102 would be very little.
BUT the price difference would be huge if they still sold the 90 i could just buy it bolt it on and be done.
But to bolt on a 102 i would also have to buy fuel rails throtle body and problely a tune for the bigger throttle body for like you said the same performance.
do you agree?
Listen like i said before it was not directed at you i even tried to have some light hearted fun with some Miltin quotes (your avitar movie office space).
i agree the fast 102 is the best bye a mile and yes i know that the size of the opening has very little efect on the motor so long as it is not to small , runner length shape and taper are much more important also plenom volume, and i know they rasied the hieght of the intake for all the reasons making an ls2 fuel rail nessasary.
But as you said the performance difference on a stock 346 between a fast 90 and a fast 102 would be very little.
BUT the price difference would be huge if they still sold the 90 i could just buy it bolt it on and be done.
But to bolt on a 102 i would also have to buy fuel rails throtle body and problely a tune for the bigger throttle body for like you said the same performance.
do you agree?
To an extent. Your still going to have to buy a throttle body with the 90. And ls2 fuel rails can be had dirt cheap.
If fast still made the 90, hardly anyone would buy it. The price difference wouldn't be as much as your thinking. Probably 100 bucks or less cheaper than the 102. And when most people look at that little of a price difference on a part that is almost a grand, 9 times out of 10 they will opt for the 102.
I'm sure comp has already weighed the pros and cons of this and that's why they discontinued the smaller models.
I'm sure comp has people smarter than both you and me combined on their marketing team that made the decision.
You also have to look at it from their perspective...they run a business to make money. I'm sure there was a give and take involved and seeing as how the 102 will do everything the 90 will and more, they decided that there was not enough demand for them to continue to produce them.
Remember when people realized the 90 worked great on a stock engine and the 78 bit the dust? The same thing is happening with the 90/92.
I still remember shortly after the 78 was discontinued, they were selling used on here for just as much as a 90. Now you can't hardly give them away...soon, you will be seeing 90's and 92's going for 400 bucks or less used...mark my words.
If fast still made the 90, hardly anyone would buy it. The price difference wouldn't be as much as your thinking. Probably 100 bucks or less cheaper than the 102. And when most people look at that little of a price difference on a part that is almost a grand, 9 times out of 10 they will opt for the 102.
I'm sure comp has already weighed the pros and cons of this and that's why they discontinued the smaller models.
I'm sure comp has people smarter than both you and me combined on their marketing team that made the decision.
You also have to look at it from their perspective...they run a business to make money. I'm sure there was a give and take involved and seeing as how the 102 will do everything the 90 will and more, they decided that there was not enough demand for them to continue to produce them.
Remember when people realized the 90 worked great on a stock engine and the 78 bit the dust? The same thing is happening with the 90/92.
I still remember shortly after the 78 was discontinued, they were selling used on here for just as much as a 90. Now you can't hardly give them away...soon, you will be seeing 90's and 92's going for 400 bucks or less used...mark my words.