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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 12:47 PM
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Anyway to cure this problem? I know Texas speed has some locking bolts. Do these work? I've retightened them and they backed out again. Have a ws6 with pacesetter coated headers...any suggestion will be appreciated
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 01:00 PM
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how many times have you had to do this? It is normal up to three times on other engines I had headers on.
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 01:51 PM
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Loctite?
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 02:00 PM
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Loctite?
Don't do that
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 02:52 PM
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Lock washers...
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 03:31 PM
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ARP header studs are an option.
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 04:50 PM
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tighten the bolts, heat cycle the engine and check them again.

when i installed pacesetters on my car i tightened them upon install and then again after driving around town with open headers and that was it. i never had another problem out of them. they were on for a few years and 35k miles before i sold it.

edit: i used the stock manifold gaskets and bolts that came on the car. no additions of any sort.
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 10:26 PM
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I tightened twice and think its loose again. Just didn't know if maybe the bolts stretched or something to that effect
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Old Nov 3, 2011 | 11:14 PM
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Percy's split lock bolts. Available at Summit.
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Old Nov 4, 2011 | 06:23 AM
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Are the threads clean? Any anti seize ?
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Old Nov 4, 2011 | 08:20 AM
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Threads looked clean during install...no I didn't use anti seize unfortunately
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Old Nov 4, 2011 | 10:41 AM
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Lock washes are the best choice.
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Old Nov 4, 2011 | 07:56 PM
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Wow, guess I've been the lucky one. Stock bolts and GM gaskets have never backed out for me. Did you used a torque wrench to install them?
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Old Nov 4, 2011 | 09:25 PM
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This is definitely a situation I have not encountered. Ive never had any issues with the bolts backing out after Ive heat cycled everything and re-tightened the hardware. Your best bet would be to try a new set of bolts or perhaps the stage 8 locking header bolt kit.
Here is a link to the stage 8 kit - http://www.texas-speed.com/p-427-sta...bolts-hex.aspx
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Does anti seize actually help in this situation?
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Old Nov 5, 2011 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
Percy's split lock bolts. Available at Summit.
I have these and they are nothing but a PITA. Had to go back and locktight the set screws to stop them from backing out.
I know of a couple of others that had the same problem.
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Old Nov 5, 2011 | 10:59 AM
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Stage 8 locking header bolts here. They are a PITA to add/remove the c-clips though if the motor is in the car.
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Originally Posted by disc0monkey
Does anti seize actually help in this situation?
It helps when you have to remove them. It can be the difference from a simple bolt removal to having to pull the head and send it out to be drilled and Helicoiled. I put antiseize on every bolt that goes into aluminum.
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Originally Posted by Aaron@Texas-Speed
This is definitely a situation I have not encountered. Ive never had any issues with the bolts backing out after Ive heat cycled everything and re-tightened the hardware.
I agree Aaron. I've never had an issue either if I tighten them two or three times after heat cycling them. On any brand.
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Originally Posted by Orange Juice
I have these and they are nothing but a PITA. Had to go back and locktight the set screws to stop them from backing out.
I know of a couple of others that had the same problem.
I like mine. I admit tightening the allen head is a little awkward at first but after doing a few it gets pretty easy.
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