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Old Apr 20, 2016 | 07:25 PM
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Hey guys so I did the cam, valve springs and injectors then had the car tuned.... Decided to do heads with bigger headers along with racetronix in tank pump.... Car runs and drives but the headers get cherry red I know a retune is prob needed just wanted your inputs....

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cherry red headers indicate a timing issue. You sure the cam was dot to dot when installed?
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Old Apr 21, 2016 | 09:47 AM
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cherry red headers indicate a timing issue. You sure the cam was dot to dot when installed?
I had a fast 90 bottom shell crack on me once. It idled around 2500 rpm and had the headers glowing red. So I would say it can also be a lean issue. New heads, and cam will want a good bit more fuel.
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Check your timing, check your a/f ratio

At idle, it might be difficult to glow red with simply a lean condition. It usually takes an exhaust restriction, or severely reduced ignition timing, to cause a red condition at idle. Unless the tube is very thin walled (I am more used to turbocharger manifolds which are far thicker).

Biggest dangers are, you could melt/warp the parts of the engine, like the header flange or head. Also if any water splashes up on them while they are that hot they might crack. Did you degree wheel the new cam?
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When I installed the cam and springs and had the car tuned it was fine and running very well.... After that I decided to buy some 799 heads p&p with 3 angel valve job and the fast92mm with 92mm throttle body..... The idle on initial startup will rev to about 1500rpm and surge until it warms up then its idling at 1200..... If I drive for a bit and press the clutch in idle will jump to 2000 then come back down but does like to hang here and there.... I am 100% sure the cam is dot to dot.... Nope I didn't degree the cam.... I have the catted Y hooked to the headers no exhaust....
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Tps was 0-0.47 with koeo and 3.18 at wot...... I took screen shots of the data if anyone would care to analyze it I would greatly appreciate it....
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Sounds like you got a vacuum leak. But it's obviously timing.....
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Old Apr 21, 2016 | 06:31 PM
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fudge now I have to chase yet again lol.... My tuner suggested the small line on the back of the manifold...
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fudge now I have to chase yet again lol.... My tuner suggested the small line on the back of the manifold...
May be. That's easy to figure out. But I ran mine without that hooked up for a long time. Lmao. It idled fine.
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Thanks guys ill keep ya posted on what he finds either tomm or next week.....
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Did you replace the valley cover bolts with the button bolts?
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I'm also leaning towards the ebay throttle body causing some issues as well
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yea replaced the bolts to button....
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yea replaced the bolts to button....
Just making sure the intake didn't get cracked.. You'd be shocked at how many people have cracked them due to not changing the cover bolts.
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Originally Posted by kinglt-1
cherry red headers indicate a timing issue. You sure the cam was dot to dot when installed?
I had a stock 3.0 v6 do that once due to plugged cats. I suggest checking your cats
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Thanks guys..... Ordered my NW throttle body = )
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If an engine springs a vacuum leak the RPM increases with its magnitude. A large enough vacuum leak to cause a serious lean condition at idle will make the engine "pop, skip and jump"(backfire, miss, sputter) as if it had a radiacal camshaft (almost) and the idle will be higher than it should be, as an obvious indicator. It is very rare to see a glowing exhaust in this condition because the temperature generated by the lean condition is not excessive near idle speeds,, because the quantity of fuel is minimal (there is very little fuel mass to extract energy from near idle speeds)
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Thanks for all the help guys.... Car runs awsome now and put down 420rwhp = )
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so, what was the issue finally? Just a new tune? Vac leak?
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