Generation III External Engine LS1 | LS6 | Bolt-Ons | Intakes | Exhaust | Ignition | Accessories
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

4.8 swap ignition coil ground issue

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 19, 2017 | 05:21 PM
  #1  
ChevyGirl93's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Default 4.8 swap ignition coil ground issue

Just swapped a 4.8 in the nova . Vats is off . After i rerouted the wires It wouldn’t run anymore .the only thing i changed was the ground locations . I’ve tried them every which way since and it still only fires briefly then stops . The engine does run with a spark plug pulled out of the head grounded to the exhaust manifold (on 7 cylinders). I think i have a ground issue but I’m looking for input . Maybe a low reference issue .

Grounds as follows: ecm to each cylinder head , battery ground to the block, ecm to body, battery to body
Reply
Old Nov 19, 2017 | 05:27 PM
  #2  
G Atsma's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 22,298
Likes: 3,619
From: Central Cal.
Default

What about block to body?
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2017 | 12:03 PM
  #3  
ChevyGirl93's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Default

Yes. Tried it.
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2017 | 05:25 PM
  #4  
00pooterSS's Avatar
TECH Veteran
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Community Favorite
iTrader: (40)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,920
Likes: 531
From: Dallas
Default

Did you cut and splice any wires? Did you check continuity of those wires if so?

Ground location shouldn't change a thing. They all meet a mutual source.

Are you saying it will run as long as you pull one spark plug out of the motor?
Reply
Old Nov 20, 2017 | 08:27 PM
  #5  
ChevyGirl93's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Default

That's what I was thinking but I read the grounds had to run to each head. The engine will run if the plug is out of the head, plugged in the spark plug wire, body of the plug grounded to the exhaust manifold . The manifold doesn't touch/ground to the body anywhere though, which is weird . To me it seems like it grounds the circuit when it's touching the manifold somehow (running on 7 cylinders bc one plug out )
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2017 | 11:27 AM
  #6  
00pooterSS's Avatar
TECH Veteran
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Community Favorite
iTrader: (40)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,920
Likes: 531
From: Dallas
Default

Sounds really odd.

The heads are grounded to the engine block, the engine block is grounded to the battery, the body is grounded to the battery, the exhaust manifolds are grounded to the heads that are grounded to the block. It's all theoretically and literally a mutual ground. In this case ground is ground. The wire has no idea what its attached to, it just needs to be grounded. The wires are grounded to the heads from the factory because it's a short path to ground for the sensors on the engine, it uses less wire which saves money and weight in long runs of wiring.

As for the plug being pulled and the engine running that is very strange. There may be some sort of back feed going on in the ignition circuit that I'll have to scratch my head on for a while to see if I can make sense of it but before going there.

What all exactly changed. It was fine before, changes were made, now it's not. Was any wiring cut? If so did you ohm across each side of each splice to check for continuity?

Did you pull the coils or do anything with the coil wiring? If so try unplugging the main coil harness connector on the side of the engine that you are pulling the plug out of. Put the plug back in and disconnect all coils by pulling the main connector. See if it will run on the other side of the engine only. I've had to do this before to diagnose incorrect coil wiring (coil wiring was hooked to the wrong coils on one side of the engine). See if that gets you anywhere to start with. If it runs fine on one side of the engine and not the other you can isolate things to that side.

Does it pop, sneeze, or backfire at all out the exhaust or intake?

You could also pull a wiring diagram and look at the wires you cut, if you cut any, and go to which ever sensor or item that wire feeds and check for ground there (or power whichever you cut) to check to see if your connection was good.

First evaluate whatever changes you made with high scrutiny, before moving on to what if's. It's real easy to start thinking of other items and start swirling all the what if's in your head. Keep it simple at first and only concentrate on the changes you made and make 100% sure there are no issues there first. I went through this last night with my son. He's checked over his car 20 times in the last 2 days and swore there were no issues with the changes he made. He changed the door speakers in his car and the radio stopped working. I ohmed a circuit for him and told him there was a short and where to look and sure enough he pinched a wire and shorted it. Take your time and pick every change apart with a fine tooth comb so to speak.
Reply
Old Nov 21, 2017 | 01:14 PM
  #7  
00pooterSS's Avatar
TECH Veteran
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Community Favorite
iTrader: (40)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,920
Likes: 531
From: Dallas
Default

Also, have you scanned it for codes?

Have you verified the security system is not activating? Just a double check on it?
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2024 | 07:22 AM
  #8  
Slicric73's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2024
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Default

Originally Posted by 00pooterSS
Also, have you scanned it for codes?

Have you verified the security system is not activating? Just a double check on it?
That's what problem I'm having with my 2003 Tahoe
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-1

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-5

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-8

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Oct 4, 2024 | 09:27 AM
  #9  
G Atsma's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 22,298
Likes: 3,619
From: Central Cal.
Default

Originally Posted by Slicric73
That's what problem I'm having with my 2003 Tahoe
That's nice, and really tells us a lot.... NOT.....
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:19 AM.

story-0
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-1
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-2
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-3
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-4
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-5
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-8
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-9
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE