Air Filter
Originally Posted by Silver02
Is K&N the best way to go?
The oil filters are all the same. I personally am fine with my paper filter, but if you want the oil ones, go right ahead.
You say you got the SLP CAI? Did you just get that or the whole flow-pac (SLP lid, smooth bellows, CAI, and filter?)
-Todd
You say you got the SLP CAI? Did you just get that or the whole flow-pac (SLP lid, smooth bellows, CAI, and filter?)
-Todd
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None of the aftermarket filters flow any better than the stock paper filter. There have been a number of dyno tests showing 0 increase in hp with the aftermarket filters. If you use an oil type filter you're just asking for trouble with over-oiling etc.
If you have to have an oil type filter then the Holley is better as it is a direct fit whereas the K&N requires an additional gasket.
Russell
If you have to have an oil type filter then the Holley is better as it is a direct fit whereas the K&N requires an additional gasket.
Russell
Originally Posted by Silver02
What about Holley Power Shot or the green one?
Originally Posted by ws6-speed
None of the aftermarket filters flow any better than the stock paper filter. There have been a number of dyno tests showing 0 increase in hp with the aftermarket filters.
But yes the dyno will not reflect that at all, in some cases cars have even dyno'd less with an oil/gauze type filter but what exactly a filter in a car standing still with a fan blowing on it's nose has to do with how said filter reacts out on the road/track at 40+mph is beyond me.
And over oiling is the fault/act of the oiler/owner/installer, not the filter/filter company.
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Originally Posted by Gloveperson
If dyno numbers don't prove anything, I am sure people have done back to back runs with paper vs oil and also shown no gain.
some have seen gains and some (most) haven't...your mileage may vary. TECH Enthusiast
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LS1LT1 and Todd,
Yeah, I've also read a shootout on one of the forums (or maybe it was ws6.com) where they did a very good test on both the paper and K&N filters. First they dynod both, then they ran them both at the track. Made no difference. Of course, even if they did add 5hp you wouldn't see it at the track or even on the dyno more than likely.
At any rate, regardless of whose fault over oiling is (I agree it's the owners fault btw) it is still a very real problem. There is no way to put on the exact proper amount of oil. Too much and you can mess up the sensors, not enough and crap flows through the filter into the engine.
It's just not worth it in my opinion, even for 5-10hp (if they'd even deliver that much). Stick with a stock paper filter and save yourself some money and aggravation (unless you have a clear lid, in which case you should buy the Holley)
Russell
Yeah, I've also read a shootout on one of the forums (or maybe it was ws6.com) where they did a very good test on both the paper and K&N filters. First they dynod both, then they ran them both at the track. Made no difference. Of course, even if they did add 5hp you wouldn't see it at the track or even on the dyno more than likely.
At any rate, regardless of whose fault over oiling is (I agree it's the owners fault btw) it is still a very real problem. There is no way to put on the exact proper amount of oil. Too much and you can mess up the sensors, not enough and crap flows through the filter into the engine.
It's just not worth it in my opinion, even for 5-10hp (if they'd even deliver that much). Stick with a stock paper filter and save yourself some money and aggravation (unless you have a clear lid, in which case you should buy the Holley
)Russell
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
The same exact thing has been said about cut outs, ram airs, spark plugs, tires, ported throttle bodies and even antenna removal, some have seen gains and some (most) haven't...your mileage may vary.
some have seen gains and some (most) haven't...your mileage may vary.haha thats true. If you take off the antena..you better take out your cigarette outlet, too
-Todd
Originally Posted by ws6-speed
At any rate, regardless of whose fault over oiling is (I agree it's the owners fault btw) it is still a very real problem. There is no way to put on the exact proper amount of oil. Too much and you can mess up the sensors, not enough and crap flows through the filter into the engine.
Either way you gotta be careful but I agree that OEM style paper is probably safer and won't give the 10rwhp
that a K&N gives. j/k TECH Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
True, but the same might be able to be said about paper filters, how do we know they're offering the best/safest combo of filtration/flow as well?
Either way you gotta be careful but I agree that OEM style paper is probably safer and won't give the 10rwhp that a K&N gives. j/k
Either way you gotta be careful but I agree that OEM style paper is probably safer and won't give the 10rwhp
that a K&N gives. j/k
It is just a personal preference, but so many newbs don't realize that over oiling these filters can wreak havoc. A lot of them think "if a little oil is good, a lot must be better". A friend of mine over oiled his K&N (and he's a car guy) and ended up having to do a lot of upper engine work because of it. Ever since his issue I decided to stick with the stock paper filter in my TA and have been extremely careful with the K&N in my Expy.Russell
Originally Posted by ws6-speed
but so many newbs don't realize that over oiling these filters can wreak havoc. A lot of them think "if a little oil is good, a lot must be better". A friend of mine over oiled his K&N (and he's a car guy) and ended up having to do a lot of upper engine work because of it.
Yeah you definitely gotta be careful with the oiling and gasket/sealing when using/cleaning/reoiling them.