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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 06:32 PM
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Went to Lapeer today and didn't run what I would have liked to run due the crappy track conditions and 30 mph headwind. Ran a 12.52 @113 mph. On the way home, decided to jump on it on a back road and after hearing a flapping like sound, the check guages light came on. Started looking and saw the volt meter was below 13 and then looked at the temp guage and it was climbing like a rocket. Shut it down quickly. My son was watching autotap and the temp hit 264. Coasted over opened the hood and water was boiling out of the radiator inlet. No belt. Started looking down and green fluid was coming out of the bottom air conditioner hose. No a/c belt either. The hose was right up against the pulley on the air conditioner. It looks like the rubbing of the a/c hose put fluid on the serpintine belt which just shredded. The a/c belt was nowhere to be found. Found the serpintine belt in shreds. Anybody have any other ideas and did I catch it quick enough to not hurt the engine?
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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 09:00 PM
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Sounds like you did catch it at a good time. I think the serpantine belt was breaking quickly and that might be the cause for everything. I would check for holes and all of the hoses, check the battery to see if any of that crap got on it, check your plugs and wires, check your headers to see if they got any of the crap on them, obviously replace the belt and perhaps the pully. Lastly, I would check to see if the radiator has any damage to it and to check the resevoir to see if it has a whole in it. Good luck!

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Sounds like you did catch it at a good time. I think the serpantine belt was breaking quickly and that might be the cause for everything. I would check for holes and all of the hoses, check the battery to see if any of that crap got on it, check your plugs and wires, check your headers to see if they got any of the crap on them, obviously replace the belt and perhaps the pully. Lastly, I would check to see if the radiator has any damage to it and to check the resevoir to see if it has a whole in it. Good luck!

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I just got done going over the whole engine bay. Found all kinds of crap all over the place. Strange thing, the two tension pulleys on the a/c are both history. It's like they melted or something. I'm going to post a pic of the pulleys. I've looked over everthing and finally figured out that when the big belt broke, it apparently caught on the lower a/c hose and pulled it into the crank pulley. Big dent in it. I just can't figure out which belt caused all of this. The big belt was practically brand new. I changed it about a month ago. My son and I went looking on the side of the road for the a/c belt and found other pieces of the belt (I don't know which) but I got a feeling it was the bigger belt. I'm thinking I could have blown the a/c belt at the track and possibly damaged the main belt which blew when I jumped on it for a good guarter mile. I'd sure like to know if anybody else has had this happen.
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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 10:17 PM
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any chance the belt was a poor made one or when it was put it, it was put in incorrectly?

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Originally Posted by Gloveperson
any chance the belt was a poor made one or when it was put it, it was put in incorrectly?

-Todd
No, I don't think so, it seems it was a goodyear belt and it was put on exactly the way the diagram on the fenderwell shows. And I didn't touch the a/c belt. This is a pic of the upper tension pulley for the a/c belt. Look what happend to this thing. The bottom tension pulley is just as bad. This is what I don't understand. How did this happen to the tension pulleys.

I hope this shows up.

This is what remains of the belts.

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Old Oct 31, 2004 | 10:28 PM
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A little small, but looks like it is on correct. I find it hard to understand a belt just melting like that, even if you were doing hot laps. Were the tensioners backwards or something

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A little small, but looks like it is on correct. I find it hard to understand a belt just melting like that, even if you were doing hot laps. Were the tensioners backwards or something

-Todd
Sorry about the smallness of the pic, I don't know how to make it bigger. There is no belt on those tensioners in that pic. That is the scarred, melted, beaten, smacked, tore up tensioners themselves. I assume that normally they are nice and smooth. These feel like you took the roughest sandpaper and just his them with it. It's like it just shredded the plastic. I don't know how this happend.
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Was the inside of the belt or the outside of the belt rough and torn up?

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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 07:29 AM
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People do throw belts, the spring tensioner is a bit weak
if you have any wobble or RPM ripple. There are higher-
wall tensioners out there, some with fixed rather than
spring loaded.
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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 07:34 AM
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Was the inside of the belt or the outside of the belt rough and torn up?

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If you mean before this, the bigger belt was brand new. I just inspected the a/c belt and it looked okay also.
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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 09:49 PM
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I got the new serpantine belt on this morning and started the car. Let it warm up and it started fine and idled fine. Took it for a short drive and everything seems okay. Hopefully all is well and nothing else is broke. I don't think it got hurt by the temp that it got to. I'd still like to know what happened. The upper and lower tension pulleys for the a/c are shot. So I still don't know what caused this. Anyway, it seems alright.
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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 10:29 PM
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I nearly threw my belt (halfway off) just messing around a few days after my cam install. Now I run my adjustable tensioner, and run it as hard as I like. No problems!
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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 10:39 PM
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I nearly threw my belt (halfway off) just messing around a few days after my cam install. Now I run my adjustable tensioner, and run it as hard as I like. No problems!
Where do you get an adjustable tensioner? And like I said, I don't know what happened here. Did the a/c belt come off first and cause the serpantine belt to destroy itself? What caused the pulleys to get destroyed? Did the serpantine belt come apart (remember it was only a month old) and then take off the a/c belt. I just don't know what happened.
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SS125
Where do you get an adjustable tensioner? And like I said, I don't know what happened here. Did the a/c belt come off first and cause the serpantine belt to destroy itself? What caused the pulleys to get destroyed? Did the serpantine belt come apart (remember it was only a month old) and then take off the a/c belt. I just don't know what happened.
The Katech adjustable is available from many of the site sponsors. I think I got mine from LMPerformance. They had the best deal if I remember correctly. It is a very nice piece, easy install, and it looks good!
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 07:57 AM
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Sounds like you got it shut down in time. That tow truck driver didn't like us driving it up there did he?HEHE. I think the a/c line rubbed through and when it started leaking it probably froze the belt. I believe thats why the a/c idler looked like that. When you felt the freon coming out it was mostly dye and oil but when it first started leaking it would have been very cold and would have froze the belt. When that belt broke it most likely took out the serp belt because it it behind it or at least moved the serp out a couple rips and then it would have destroyed itself
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Old Nov 4, 2004 | 09:22 AM
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Sounds like you got it shut down in time. That tow truck driver didn't like us driving it up there did he?HEHE. I think the a/c line rubbed through and when it started leaking it probably froze the belt. I believe thats why the a/c idler looked like that. When you felt the freon coming out it was mostly dye and oil but when it first started leaking it would have been very cold and would have froze the belt. When that belt broke it most likely took out the serp belt because it it behind it or at least moved the serp out a couple rips and then it would have destroyed itself
Hey, how you doing. Thanks for stopping the other day. No that guy didn't want me driving up onto his ramp did he. I did figure out one thing here. I don't know which went first the a/c belt or the serp, but I do know that whent the serp went the flapping around it caught the a/c hose and pulled it into the crank pully. Where that fluid was spewing from there is a pretty good size dent in the metal jacket where it banged against the crank pulley. I think the a/c line came off first and I think it was from the tensioner pulleys. Those things were basically melted. Maybe one of them seized, I don't know. Anyways, thanks for stopping by when this happend yesterday and I'll see you on the road sometime.
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The a/c line has two flat spots in them that look like they are flattened for clearace. They are supposed to be that way. Is that also where it hit?
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I don't know if this has anything to do with what happened last sunday, but when I got the car started there is now a loud knocking sound coming from the water pump area when the car is cold. It never did this before and I haven't been able to pinpoint it just yet but it sounds like it's coming from the waterpump or from that general vicinity. It runs fine. I've started the car and drove it twice since last sunday and both times when I start the car i hear this echoy type of knocking. Anybody have any ideas as to what this could be?
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