I have a custome x pipe with stock cats and a pair a bullets. The cop stoped me for the exhaust being to loud and told me if he catches me again he is going to write a ticket. I was wondering, if I put another set of bullets were the cats are will it quiet the car down and will it decrease my performance? I am trying to get the biggest bullets as possible, does it make a difference? I really need the help I see the cop around town all the time and he knows my car so...........

 

The cats should be quieter than a second set of bullets. Just get the longest bullets you can find and swap them out. The longer, the quieter. You may also consider a set of 'vortex cone inserts' or a set of 'three-disk' style inserts. Dynatech makes the cones, and I believe Car Chemistry makes the disk inserts. You can get either from Summit Racing, Jegs, and I'm sure a few other places. The disks will be quieter, and neither hurt performance. I've used both styles before.

 

Does your town have a noise ordinance? How is he measuring the noise level? See, if he writes you a ticket he has to show your car is violating law. This can not be his opinion, his burden of proof is you violated the law. You need to do some research before you spend more money on exhaust work. One more thing, is your exhaust complete?

 

Heres what I mean by research this is ohios law:

[§ 4513.22.1] § 4513.221. Regulation of vehicle and engine noise in unincorporated areas.





(A) The board of county commissioners of any county, and the board of township trustees of any township subject to section 505.17 of the Revised Code, may regulate passenger car and motorcycle noise on streets and highways under their jurisdiction. Such regulations shall include maximum permissible noise limits measured in decibels, subject to the requirements of this section.




(B) Regulations establishing maximum permissible noise limits measured in decibels shall prohibit the operation, within the speed limits specified herein, of a passenger car or motorcycle of a type subject to registration at any time or under any condition of load, acceleration, or deceleration in such manner as to exceed the following maximum noise limits, based on a distance of not less than fifty feet from the center of the line of travel:




(1) For passenger cars:




(a) When operated at a speed of thirty-five miles per hour or less, a maximum noise limit of seventy decibels;




(b) When operated at a speed of more than thirty-five miles per hour, a maximum noise limit of seventy-nine decibels.




(2) For motorcycles:




(a) When operated at a speed of thirty-five miles per hour or less, a maximum noise limit of eighty-two decibels;




(b) When operated at a speed of more than thirty-five miles per hour, a maximum noise limit of eighty-six decibels.




(C) Maximum noise limits established pursuant to division (B) of this section shall be measured on the "A" scale of a standard sound level meter meeting the applicable requirements for a type 2 sound level meter as defined in American national standards institute standard S1.4 - 1983, or the most recent revision thereof. Measurement practices shall be in substantial conformity with standards and recommended practice established by the society of automotive engineers, including SAE standard J 986 A NOV81, SAE standard J 366 MAR85, SAE standard J 331 A, and such other standards and practices as may be approved by the federal government.




(D) No regulation enacted under division (B) of this section shall be effective until signs giving notice of the regulation are posted upon or at the entrance to the highway or part thereof affected, as may be most appropriate.




(E) A board of county commissioners of any county may regulate noise from passenger cars, motorcycles, or other devices using internal combustion engines in the unincorporated area of the county, and a board of township trustees may regulate such noise in the unincorporated area of the township, in any of the following ways:




(1) By prohibiting operating or causing to be operated any motor vehicle, agricultural tractor, motorcycle, all-purpose vehicle, or snowmobile not equipped with a factory-installed muffler or equivalent muffler in good working order and in constant operation;




(2) By prohibiting the removing or rendering inoperative, or causing to be removed or rendered inoperative, other than for purposes of maintenance, repair, or replacement, of any muffler;




(3) By prohibiting the discharge into the open air of exhaust of any stationary or portable internal combustion engine except through a factory-installed muffler or equivalent muffler in good working order and in constant operation;




(4) By prohibiting racing the motor of any vehicle described in division (E)(1) of this section in such a manner that the exhaust system emits a loud, cracking, or chattering noise unusual to its normal operation.




(F) Whoever violates any maximum noise limit established as provided in division (B) of this section or any of the prohibitions authorized in division (E) of this section is guilty of a minor misdemeanor. Fines collected under this section by the county shall be paid into the county general fund, and such fines collected by the township shall be paid into the township general fund.





No regulation adopted under this section shall apply to commercial racetrack operations.





HISTORY: 141 v H 131. Eff 6-26-86.

 

Tell him to smoke your meat poll, what you have is emissions legal...

 

Good lord Droptopws6...no one here trying to read all that.

From what I can tell this is a dumped true dual setup? Another set of bullets would help but I doubt it will be what your looking for. I would try to take them over the axle because that makes the exaust really quiet.

 

Please...for your own sake...don't tell him this!

...oh yeah, and before you decide to "go Matlock" and challenge the officer on the legality of this whole situation...make sure he DOESN'T have the aforementioned SPL measuring equipment...because if he does and you do, you're gonna look like an *** in court...just a thought.

I doubt any type of bullet is going to muffle more than your cats already do...longer bullets would help slightly, but probably not what your looking for. Maybe look into actual mufflers...high flow, but with more packing...

 

...or a set of inserts-they do work, they're much smaller and cheaper than a bulky set of chambered mufflers.

 

I found this part particularly interesting.

(D) No regulation enacted under division (B) of this section shall be effective until signs giving notice of the regulation are posted upon or at the entrance to the highway or part thereof affected, as may be most appropriate.

 

Swap out the bullets for some mufflers- Magnaflow 4x9 Ovals really queit things down and flow very, very well.

 

Yea no sense in reading the laws in your area and "going Matlock" Sheesh. Anyway, You can call the department the guy works for,tell them the story and that you have made some changes to your exhaust and would like it retested. Furthermore state that you need to know the decible level its reading so you know how far your out of compliance you are. Even if you do all above before you make changes, ie: story ,test whatever Law enforcement agancies, I feel, would rather hear someone trying to comply with law rather than ignore it.

 

get some mufflers in there..

then get some QTP electric cutouts b4 the mufflers..

when you see the cop close the cutouts and when he is not around well.. blast that shiet! lol

 

I wasn't implying that you shouldn't be aware of the laws in your area...what I said was that he should make sure that the Officer in question doesn't, in fact, have said sound measuring equipment before he challenges him on that basis..."going Matlock" is when "armchair attorneys" give others advice based on their personal interpretation of the law...oh yeah...I almost forgot...sheesh.

 

Also, I dont think dumps on a passenger car is legal. I think it has to be past the cab of the car. So, if you try to argue it, he will just find something else to write you up for.

 

not legal*

 

...someone who's been in the position I suppose...

That's the best legal advise so far...Just do what the man says, whether or not it seems 'fair', and problem solved. There's no reason to give him a reason to be a ******** (search for every ticket worthy detail). Because, well, once you're pulled over, he certainly can. Their JOB is to ENFORCE the law...I've had my fair share of noise ordinance tickets. I ran what some call a 'boom tube' a few yrs back on a '97 Vette. It didn't last long...The second time the same guy pulled me over, he said: 'if there's a next time, you're going to pop that hood' [so he can look for more out of spec].

 

I like the meat-pole idea...but don't say it. Definitely keep your cats, taking them out and replacing them with bullets would make things even worse. You definitely need a quieter muffler. Or go to a 3.5" ot 4" single Dynomax. It's amazing how much quieter my single straight-through Dynomax is than my dual Blowmaster was.

 

there are harley's and such riding around here all the time that are MIND BLOWINGLY loud. even at idle!!! i think they sound like souped up tractors and they definatly annoy the **** out of me. nothing pisses me off more than when im concentration on driving (i like to be as safe as possible in traffic), and a damn harley scream by you and blow yours and the rest of the people on the road's ears out and make people crash.

they never seem get in trouble i guess because harleys are "supossed" to sound like that, what a bunch of B.S.

 

as long as my cars not louder than m buddy's custom harley... custom 96 ci? straight hooker header bike lol...i should be good

 

I agree with taking them the rest of the way out of the back of the car either over or under the axle. You could also try to put some borla xr1's or some twister's.

In may be in your best interest to pm lane since they deal with TD's and ask him what your best option is.

I also found it to be a good idea to go to the police station and politely ask them to test your car's decibel level to find out how far over it is.

Oh yeah: I know we all do it, but try not to hit 6 grand in a residential neighborhood (people tend not to enjoy that...I know from experience..lol). I know you probably were not doing that, but I just had to take advantage of the situation..