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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 03:38 AM
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wow what a difference the 1 7/8 headers made on my car . sounds like a new car. and im not shitting you. its asome can not wait tilli hook up the wires to my qtp cutouts that are at the end of the straight dual pipes!!!
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:42 AM
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I know what you mean, I had grott 1 3/4 with 3" collectors open header and then switched to Kooks 1 7/8 stepped to 2" with 3.5" collectors and when reved, it sounded like a prostocker
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:52 AM
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On a stock LS1 would 1 7/8's be to big?
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 09:34 AM
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yes...you shouldn't need bigger than 1-3/4 unless you go bigger cubes
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 10:45 AM
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you would basically lose some low end power, probably the only way you would benefit is if you were either FI or stock cubes with stage 3 heads and cam..
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 01:26 PM
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what if you have AFR 205s with a good cam, would 1 7/8 still be too much
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 01:37 PM
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i would still say that would still be too big of a primary...i'd stay 1-3/4 unless you are running FI and quite a bit of it at that
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 04:28 PM
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Correct. You don't need more then 1 3/4 till you get big.

Header pipe length (in inches) = ((850*(360-EVO))/RPM – 3
Header diameter (in inches) = ((cylinder. disp. * 16.38 / ((hdr len + 3) * 25))) * 2.1

EVO is exhaust valve opening @ .006
RPM is peak HP rpm.
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 05:01 PM
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I personally dynotested 1 7/8 to make more power than 1 3/4 on every car i tested. Even at 1200 rpm it makes more trq and power. I tested 1 7/8 kooks everytime over their own 1 3/4 and others 1 3/4. Don't make a mistake, get 7/8 that way your covered until the big motor comes.



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On a stock LS1 would 1 7/8's be to big?
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 05:20 PM
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I would be interested in seeing a dyno graph of this. Not because I don't believe you, but because I want to know whether it gained all over the powerband or just peak power. Did it lose power anywhere? I'm specifically talking about a heads/cam car N/A stock bore and stroke.
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 06:34 PM
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1 7/8 is good for any size ls1. u will loose some low end but will pickup on the top end
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TEA Brent
I personally dynotested 1 7/8 to make more power than 1 3/4 on every car i tested. Even at 1200 rpm it makes more trq and power. I tested 1 7/8 kooks everytime over their own 1 3/4 and others 1 3/4. Don't make a mistake, get 7/8 that way your covered until the big motor comes.
I got the same results.
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Someone post a graph, please!

I really want to see how the curve is affected going from 1 3/4 to 1 7/8.
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:47 PM
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Hmm, thats very interesting. Funny how everyone has always said that 1 7/8 is too big for stock cubes but that isn't the case at all.

Thanks for doing the testing!
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FWIW in a recent Car Craft, Hotrod, or GM High Tech Performance (I can not remember which) they tested stock manifolds, 1-5/8, 1-3/4, and 1-7/8 headers on a LS1 and the 1-7/8 headers made the most HP and torque.

I know if I ever get rid of my MAC headers I will be going with 1-7/8 headers.

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1 7/8" even on a bone stock internal LS1? No losses anywhere?
I wonder now if the same would apply to using a FAST 90mm intake manifold with a 90mm TB, also historically thought to be too much for a stock internal 346. Hmm.
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Originally Posted by JNorris
FWIW in a recent Car Craft, Hotrod, or GM High Tech Performance (I can not remember which) they tested stock manifolds, 1-5/8, 1-3/4, and 1-7/8 headers on a LS1 and the 1-7/8 headers made the most HP and torque.
That article comes up a lot lately. It was Car Craft and they are normally quite a reputable publication but unfortunately those results COMPLETELY negate nearly every single dyno and track test EVER performed on a late model C5 Corvette (LS1 and LS6)...so I must ask, who's lying?
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
I got the same results.

Is there such a thing as a 1 7/8 with emissions?
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
1 7/8" even on a bone stock internal LS1? No losses anywhere?
I wonder now if the same would apply to using a FAST 90mm intake manifold with a 90mm TB, also historically thought to be too much for a stock internal 346. Hmm.
I think a lot of it has to do is that doing 1 7/8 to 2 or a FAST 90/90 are not going to yield big enough gains (assuming there were gains) to make these cost effective options. A 90mm intake and bigger ports on the headers are usually things done with h/c or afterthoughts of h/c. Just the way I see it, although dyno graphs of this would be interesting.
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Originally Posted by 777
yes...you shouldn't need bigger than 1-3/4 unless you go bigger cubes
Ive heard that the 1 7/8th headers work very well if ur spraying is this true? and is it worth getting the 1 7/8ths just for that reason, becuase as everyone knows ur not spraying when ur driving normally. I am trying to decide what i am going to get and if i want to get the HVMC's ( high velocity merge collectors)
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