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Old 02-15-2005, 09:20 AM
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Just wondering how much louder the car would be with the cats gutted and the stock exhaust? I got the cutout on yesterday, and was about to get the cats gutted, but decided not to. With the cutout closed, how much louder will it be? Very noticable? I'm holding off on an exhaust system for a while. The neighbors hate me as it is, and leaving the house at 6am I don't really want to **** too many more off than I have to..
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not too much louder, but the sound wont be as refined. the stock muffler will keep your volume down quite a bit, even with hollow cats, but it wont sound as good. so, even though you're waiting on an exhaust for a while, i wouldnt do it. it sounds like ****.
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what about no cats on a borla muffle/loudmouth set up? I love the way it sounds now, but with the bottle on it, i need to get rid of the cats.
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I run no cats w/ the stock catback. IT is very quiet. But with the cutout open anything over 1500rpms is painful to my ears.
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No cats on a Borla/Loudmouth setup will also sound like ***! I dynoed gutted cats (with stock manifolds) on my old 2000 WS6.

476 rwhp with stock manifolds, cats, cutout (150 shot).
476 rwhp with stock manifolds, gutted cats, cutout (150 shot, same bottle pressure).

Needless to say, I was shocked, disappointed and swapped my y-pipe to another racer who didn't mind the crappy sound of the gutted cats. In my case, there were no gains! Dyno verified.
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I gutteeed mine before the headers with just the flowmaster and i loved the sound. IT did drone a bit around 70 at about 2400rpms.
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i run Kooks/Kooks Ory w/stock catback, and it sounds pretty good, still very quiet tho. some rasp here and there, but nothing i can't live with. just get headers/ory instead of guttin the cats, give in to the urge for exhaust mods
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I told myself I'd leave this one alone until I get the '69 on the road. I'm trying to hold out. I figure since I'd not be adding anything new really, I wouldn't be breaking my rules.
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My main concern is for the time being, im about to be tuned for a 200shot(If fuel holds up) Since im running stock cats, i fear of melting them and getting clogged. I still have the stock Y pipe but after that it goes into the Borla muffler to the loudmouth exhaust.
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Gutted stock cats sound very different from an ORY. I really loved the sound of gutted stock cats with a Flowmaster catback I had many years ago on my WS6 (no rasp at all, very nice tone and slight volume increase). On the other hand, when I went to an ORY using the exact same catback, it rasped like hell and sounded horribile. Just my experiance.....
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raspy as ****, so dont get it
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raspy as ****, so dont get it
Raspy with what catback? Not Flowmaster or Loudmouth at least. A full/actual ORY will rasp with these, but not gutted stock cats with stock manifolds. I have proven it for myself.

Maybe what you are calling "rasp" is actually something different.
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I run gutted cats through a SLP Y (stocker type) and
SLP CME setup. I think it sounds pretty good. It does
have a little bit of boom to it at 2500RPM or so. I have
no rasp, I like to think because I dressed down all of
the sharp edges in the cat necks with a carbide burr
before installing. I flow-tested (ghetto style, leaf-blower
and vinyl-tubing manometer) the gutted cats vs offroad
tubes and Random Tech high flow cats, the gutted were
closer to the offroads than to the high-flows (there's a
post here about that, fairly old now). I found that after
swapping over to gutted, I had a higher logged dynamic
cylinder air readings at WOT. I see this as indicating less
backpressure, showing all the way up at the front (better
inhale from less residual gas in the cylinders, I figure).
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Nice, yea im still running stock headers, obviously, and it seems all the people with good cat back perfer the sound of no cats. I do have a good howl at 3k rpms, so i assume this will get louder, but i think im going to have to do it anyway, just for saftey sake of not clogging a cat.
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long tube headers, off road y pipe and 80 series flowmasters here. Before the headers I took out the cats and put on the muffler. Many people asked me if I had the loudmouth exhaust. When I put the headers and y pipe on it made a night and day difference. At idle I am well defined, but not race car loud, just loud. I get heads turned everywhere I go and the cops usually here me coming at full thottle from a mile away before they actually see me. The interior noise is noticeable, but not near as loud as the exterior. I like mine a lot, but have been advised to get the GMMG chambered exhaust with my set up.
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I run kooks with true duals, x-pipe and no cats. Pretty raspy in mid RPM range, but i think it sounds sick. I am 20 though, so maybe my opinion doesnt count.
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I had to gut the cat on my old '94 when it went south on me.It sounded much louder and it was sloppy in tone. I drove around for a week like that till I got a Random Tech to replace it.



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