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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 11:25 AM
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i really want to take the tube off for the egr but i cannot take it anywhere to get the hole welded up on the header after i cut the tube off. the problem is the spark plug wire hits the egr tube that is on the header, and well my egr is long gone anyway. i dont know if there is some sort of plug i can put in there or what. the header is stuck on there and i would have to cut the ypipe to get it out, plus i cant go to a shop to weld it. so i need to think of any other way to properly and cleanly seal it off. thanks
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 02:30 PM
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Cut the tube down and thread the outside of it. Leave enough sticking out of the header to put some threads on and then screw on a cap. Just make sure you have something to seal it up good.
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 03:36 PM
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You might also be able to cut some internal threads in that tube and get the appropriate pipe plug.

I suppose one more option might be some JB weld, but it would look like sh*t I bet (I wouldnt do it to my car).
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yeah a pipe plug was in mind

what about a hose clam that you can hide under the header and only see the strap with a metal/graphite gasket to seal it off? just not sure it that would seal it,i really need to take a good look at it
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 04:03 PM
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The clamp idea crossed my mind, but you'll never get it to seal.
If you go the pipe plug route, be sure not to "crack" open the tube while you're tightening the plug.
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 04:14 PM
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your best bet is to take off the air pipe, and cut the tube. weld the hole up and then bolt the air flange back on the header.

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your best bet is to take off the air pipe, and cut the tube. weld the hole up and then bolt the air flange back on the header.

sweet.
im not sure i follow, i dont want to keep the flange, i want to cut the flange off totally, like the race style headers, or close to it. i might tighten a band clamp down close to the spot and see if the sides come up at all. guy at work said tube nut and a farrel (sp?)
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 05:11 PM
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what about some liquid weld on the back side of a piece of sheet metal so its like a patch, almost like the hooker headers logo on it? im just trying to think of things, if i could get them off the car i would weld them up
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You might also be able to cut some internal threads in that tube and get the appropriate pipe plug.

I suppose one more option might be some JB weld, but it would look like sh*t I bet (I wouldnt do it to my car).
would a plug or cap beable to withstand the heat and pressure? i was thinking about doing one or the other and then getting some jb weld for the threads, seal the threads up and lock that sucker up in there
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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 08:45 PM
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im not sure i follow, i dont want to keep the flange, i want to cut the flange off totally, like the race style headers, or close to it. i might tighten a band clamp down close to the spot and see if the sides come up at all. guy at work said tube nut and a farrel (sp?)
noone will get in there and weld after you cut it off?
remove the plug wire and its pretty empty right there, aint it?
you can get some orange heat shield material from mallory or MSD from jegs and summit.
just wrap it around your wire. that orange stuff will not burn.
ive had some laying on my y pipe for years with wires running threw them. its almost touching and its never melted.
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noone will get in there and weld after you cut it off?
remove the plug wire and its pretty empty right there, aint it?
you can get some orange heat shield material from mallory or MSD from jegs and summit.
just wrap it around your wire. that orange stuff will not burn.
ive had some laying on my y pipe for years with wires running threw them. its almost touching and its never melted.
i just dont like it hitting plus i dont like the look of it, ive seen them welded and its not too clean looking, like on my friends car so if i can plug it off and get the same results and have it cleaner id like to do that, get what im saying?
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 09:48 AM
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if you want it to be clean, buy some race headers and sell the ones you have.
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Originally Posted by WS6FirebirdTA00
would a plug or cap beable to withstand the heat and pressure? i was thinking about doing one or the other and then getting some jb weld for the threads, seal the threads up and lock that sucker up in there

Honestly, I agree with Cyphur about getting race style headers. But I understand you don't want to do that.

Yes, a pipe plug should handle the heat just fine (it might discolor a bit, but otherwise OK). The headers are just mild steel anyways. And the plug itself will handle the pressure no problem.

I would be careful about tightening the plug to much as someone said earlier. Also, watch what chemicals you put on the threads (like you don't want antisieze cause it will junk your O2 sensors).
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Honestly, I agree with Cyphur about getting race style headers. But I understand you don't want to do that.

Yes, a pipe plug should handle the heat just fine (it might discolor a bit, but otherwise OK). The headers are just mild steel anyways. And the plug itself will handle the pressure no problem.

I would be careful about tightening the plug to much as someone said earlier. Also, watch what chemicals you put on the threads (like you don't want antisieze cause it will junk your O2 sensors).
yeah i know i was planning on a set of kooks stainless headers but my wallet wont allow that right now. this is going to be temporary to an extent until i can afford a new header/y pipe set up. im at work now and i found a pipe plug and tap that work perfect. i can cut the tube down to about a quarter inch so it wont look bad. IMO the blockoff plates look worse than the plugs, but Cyphur and Bowtieman i agree with you both, race headers will look better. next semester i wont have a job because of my class load and im trying to save up money so its not the best option for right NOW, but i want to get them off there. so dont put antiseiz on there? thanks, i didnt realize you cant do that. what should i put, would liquid teflon be alright to kinda seal it in there a little better or no? thanks for the help guys, ill get pics up when i get done to see what you guys think.
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Old Jun 14, 2005 | 11:27 AM
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while a little ghetto, the grotts headers I purchased the EGR tube broke, and the previous owner screwed a bolt into the tube. Works great, no leaks, and an easy fix.

Ryan
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I wouldn't think it will need any sealant. You could try some pipe thread sealant, but I am not sure it will stand the temperatures. You may also try some RTV. They have some high temp stuff out there, but not sure if thats high enough either.

Just FYI, you cant use antisieze because it has lead in it. Lead+O2 sensor = . However, if you are real careful and only get the antisieze on the threads of the plug it may work.
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I wouldn't think it will need any sealant. You could try some pipe thread sealant, but I am not sure it will stand the temperatures. You may also try some RTV. They have some high temp stuff out there, but not sure if thats high enough either.

Just FYI, you cant use antisieze because it has lead in it. Lead+O2 sensor = . However, if you are real careful and only get the antisieze on the threads of the plug it may work.
i can put a little dab at the top part of it so when i thread it in it will stay above the end of the plug. we will see i think im going to try it tonight.
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thanks for the help guys, so far so good, i think it looks a lot better with those bulky flanges off of there, not as good as a new header but money no longer grows on trees lol here are some pics let me know what you think. i still want to grind the ends down and finish it off nicely, id like to cap it off but i dont know if ill find anything like that, now ive gotta clean up under the hood
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dont look that bad.
nice job.
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thanks, like i said still got a little more cleaning up to do and id like to cap it off, now just to find a steel cap slightly smaller than that size...
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