Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed??
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Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by rnr27band1:
<strong>also when you hooked up your fan switch for the high speed fans, you could set it so once the switch was turned on and you hit the brakes it would cut the fans on so that it will only be running the fans when you are on the brakes.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ooooh I like that idea <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<strong>also when you hooked up your fan switch for the high speed fans, you could set it so once the switch was turned on and you hit the brakes it would cut the fans on so that it will only be running the fans when you are on the brakes.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ooooh I like that idea <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? Verbs, are you telling me that if you sit in traffic your air temp does not creep higher and higher untill you start moving? Are you saying that it never surpasses the actual temperature outside?
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Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong>Verbs, are you telling me that if you sit in traffic your air temp does not creep higher and higher untill you start moving? Are you saying that it never surpasses the actual temperature outside?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is what I am saying!! My air temp never surpasses the temp outside, but maybe by 2-5 degrees due to the heating of the pavement. But it is usually dead on.
<strong>Verbs, are you telling me that if you sit in traffic your air temp does not creep higher and higher untill you start moving? Are you saying that it never surpasses the actual temperature outside?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is what I am saying!! My air temp never surpasses the temp outside, but maybe by 2-5 degrees due to the heating of the pavement. But it is usually dead on.
Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cobrakid:
<strong>I have a sort of related question.
I cut the bottom of my air box out as to let the
air "ram" up it through the bottom as well as
the hood scoops.
Is having both the air inlets counter productive?
Does anyone have proof, not just opinions???
all opinions are welcome ..though.
I was thinking of blocking the bottom back off.
I haven't really seen any gain at the track at all
and the only difference with the kit is the metal
that runs up to the box blocking the radiator???
thanks..
<img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I track-tested the free ram air a few weeks ago. It was 95 degrees out (track temp over 130), and I picked up .11 and over 1 MPH with it! I didn't expect that kind of gain in the heat. It's not too bad for a free mod. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
<strong>I have a sort of related question.
I cut the bottom of my air box out as to let the
air "ram" up it through the bottom as well as
the hood scoops.
Is having both the air inlets counter productive?
Does anyone have proof, not just opinions???
all opinions are welcome ..though.
I was thinking of blocking the bottom back off.
I haven't really seen any gain at the track at all
and the only difference with the kit is the metal
that runs up to the box blocking the radiator???
thanks..
<img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I track-tested the free ram air a few weeks ago. It was 95 degrees out (track temp over 130), and I picked up .11 and over 1 MPH with it! I didn't expect that kind of gain in the heat. It's not too bad for a free mod. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong>Wow verbs, so is this because of the FTRA.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would guess so....but it is a tradeoff. What is more important to me??? Cooler intake air and a hotter engine or hotter intake air and a cooler engine??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
<small>[ July 24, 2002, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: verbs ]</small>
<strong>Wow verbs, so is this because of the FTRA.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would guess so....but it is a tradeoff. What is more important to me??? Cooler intake air and a hotter engine or hotter intake air and a cooler engine??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
<small>[ July 24, 2002, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: verbs ]</small>
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Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? Alright i have a question or two. First whats the difference of the "old" FTRA and the "new" one, just a plate right? and B/C i dont have it installed yet ( i have the older versoin) u think i should wait till it gets cooler outside, Houston is freakin hot this time of year. Anyone have some ideas? thanks
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Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cobrakid:
<strong>I have a sort of related question.
I cut the bottom of my air box out as to let the
air "ram" up it through the bottom as well as
the hood scoops.
Is having both the air inlets counter productive?
Does anyone have proof, not just opinions???
all opinions are welcome ..though.
I was thinking of blocking the bottom back off.
I haven't really seen any gain at the track at all
and the only difference with the kit is the metal
that runs up to the box blocking the radiator???
thanks..
<img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I blocked mine off for the hot weather - the air inlet temps go through the roof - especially while in the staging lanes and staging - it sucks hot air up off of the radiator. Saw it with auto-tap - that was proof enough for me.
I have the factory ram air baffles removed during dry weather with the ability to quickly put the large baffle back in for rainy weather driving. Keeps from washing the K&N in place!
Next I am going to make a seal to seal the hood to the air box - I know a guy who did it and it is worth a 10th.
<strong>I have a sort of related question.
I cut the bottom of my air box out as to let the
air "ram" up it through the bottom as well as
the hood scoops.
Is having both the air inlets counter productive?
Does anyone have proof, not just opinions???
all opinions are welcome ..though.
I was thinking of blocking the bottom back off.
I haven't really seen any gain at the track at all
and the only difference with the kit is the metal
that runs up to the box blocking the radiator???
thanks..
<img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I blocked mine off for the hot weather - the air inlet temps go through the roof - especially while in the staging lanes and staging - it sucks hot air up off of the radiator. Saw it with auto-tap - that was proof enough for me.
I have the factory ram air baffles removed during dry weather with the ability to quickly put the large baffle back in for rainy weather driving. Keeps from washing the K&N in place!
Next I am going to make a seal to seal the hood to the air box - I know a guy who did it and it is worth a 10th.
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Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? If you want to try to make a little more air hit the rad you can look at these photos and think about doing this to your car also. I'm speaking about openning the two holes up on each side of the nose.
http://groups.msn.com/RichardsBruce/...xe.msnw?Page=2
<small>[ July 25, 2002, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: 2000 Camaro SS ]</small>
http://groups.msn.com/RichardsBruce/...xe.msnw?Page=2
<small>[ July 25, 2002, 01:43 PM: Message edited by: 2000 Camaro SS ]</small>
Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? The new version of the ram air plate has sides to deflect more air into the main duct.
The FTRA will yield the lowest IAT temps as soon as you start moving. Install University found the average IAT drop to be close to 10 F. That is 1% more power right there without taking into account the other benefits of the FTRA.
Most people believe that a warmer running engine makes less power. This is NOT true. The goal is to keep the combustion chamber as hot as possible without detonation while keeping the air entering the motor cool (more dense air). In fact, most LS1 cars run quickest when they are hot lapped at the track. We have a composite intake that does not heat soak like the LT1 aluminum intakes.
The FTRA is going to keep the incoming air as cool as possible and also improve VE. Lower intake temps allow the PCM to give you more timing advance. These factors all make the FTRA produce better HP, better throttle response and higher fuel economy.
The FTRA will yield the lowest IAT temps as soon as you start moving. Install University found the average IAT drop to be close to 10 F. That is 1% more power right there without taking into account the other benefits of the FTRA.
Most people believe that a warmer running engine makes less power. This is NOT true. The goal is to keep the combustion chamber as hot as possible without detonation while keeping the air entering the motor cool (more dense air). In fact, most LS1 cars run quickest when they are hot lapped at the track. We have a composite intake that does not heat soak like the LT1 aluminum intakes.
The FTRA is going to keep the incoming air as cool as possible and also improve VE. Lower intake temps allow the PCM to give you more timing advance. These factors all make the FTRA produce better HP, better throttle response and higher fuel economy.
Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? I have the FTRA and my temp usually stays around 180-190 on a hot day. It never gets over 210.
Maybe my car's a freak. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
Maybe my car's a freak. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
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Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? AntiVenom, IF you are using the stock gauge to read engine temp then you are reading a fudged number. Its not accurate.
Verbs, I'm still trying to figure out how your Air intake temp is Hardly any more than ambient temperature while your sitting in traffic.
My AIT goes up because the whole engine bay is hot, and this includes the airlid (which houses the AIT sensor), the lower air box, and the core support. Sealed system or not, the whole air lid gets hot from the outside, and thusly warms the AIT while sitting in traffic.
Also, while sitting in traffic in a car with the FTRA sucking up hot *** pavement air (which is hot as ***) how does the temp not go up?
So with this said, while sitting in traffic your Air intake temperature is never more than 2-4 degrees hotter than the outside air? HOW?
<small>[ July 26, 2002, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: Mike Hoffpauir ]</small>
Verbs, I'm still trying to figure out how your Air intake temp is Hardly any more than ambient temperature while your sitting in traffic.
My AIT goes up because the whole engine bay is hot, and this includes the airlid (which houses the AIT sensor), the lower air box, and the core support. Sealed system or not, the whole air lid gets hot from the outside, and thusly warms the AIT while sitting in traffic.
Also, while sitting in traffic in a car with the FTRA sucking up hot *** pavement air (which is hot as ***) how does the temp not go up?
So with this said, while sitting in traffic your Air intake temperature is never more than 2-4 degrees hotter than the outside air? HOW?
<small>[ July 26, 2002, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: Mike Hoffpauir ]</small>
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Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mike Hoffpauir:
<strong>Verbs, I'm still trying to figure out how your Air intake temp is Hardly any more than ambient temperature while your sitting in traffic.
how does the temp not go up?
So with this said, while sitting in traffic your Air intake temperature is never more than 2-4 degrees hotter than the outside air? HOW?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't live in NY City ya know!! Rush hour here is not rush hour in LA/NY.
I never am stopped for more than 1 minute at a time, and that is only if I'm at a stop light. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
I notice a few degree jump, and am sure that if I sat longer it would keep climbing.
<strong>Verbs, I'm still trying to figure out how your Air intake temp is Hardly any more than ambient temperature while your sitting in traffic.
how does the temp not go up?
So with this said, while sitting in traffic your Air intake temperature is never more than 2-4 degrees hotter than the outside air? HOW?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't live in NY City ya know!! Rush hour here is not rush hour in LA/NY.
I never am stopped for more than 1 minute at a time, and that is only if I'm at a stop light. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
I notice a few degree jump, and am sure that if I sat longer it would keep climbing.
Re: Anyone else overheating with FTRA installed?? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by chuckhammer:
<strong>Correct me if I'm mistaken but doesn't the HPP3 only activate the low speed fan setting? ...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The HPP3 actually adjusts (lowers) BOTH fan settings together so they are kept in the same relationship.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Steve
<strong>Correct me if I'm mistaken but doesn't the HPP3 only activate the low speed fan setting? ...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The HPP3 actually adjusts (lowers) BOTH fan settings together so they are kept in the same relationship.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Steve
