HEADER POLL
01-26-2003 | 06:14 AM
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Re: HEADER POLL </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I am almost positive that this is wrong. The headers are all based on the old Grot design, but there is no more Grot headers made.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">All these headers are still produced by tubular automotive in New Jersey and from there sold to each distributor. Indeed they are all based on the old "Grot" design but it was not Roger Grotyohann that designed these, he just marketed as best he could until he could not keep up in which case he simply faded away and Grots became a scarce header system. Then along came 1.)QTP 2.)Thunder 3.) PPC and all in which they made certain revisions to the design as to not include ball joint connections between the collectors and y-pipe and upgraded the casting diameter of the A.I.R. and E.G.R. provisions. Plus we all know how in demand a quality y-pipe was for the system.
01-26-2003 | 11:14 AM
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Re: HEADER POLL </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ratio411:
<strong> You didn't offer me the option... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
The correct answer to all of your questions is Hooker L/Ts. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Perhaps in your opnion. I happen to disagree.
There is no "correct answer", just different opnions.
<strong> You didn't offer me the option... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
The correct answer to all of your questions is Hooker L/Ts. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Perhaps in your opnion. I happen to disagree.
There is no "correct answer", just different opnions.
01-26-2003 | 02:08 PM
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Re: HEADER POLL </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by X']['C WS6:
<strong>All these headers are still produced by tubular automotive in New Jersey and from there sold to each distributor. Indeed they are all based on the old "Grot" design but it was not Roger Grotyohann that designed these, he just marketed as best he could until he could not keep up in which case he simply faded away and Grots became a scarce header system. Then along came 1.)QTP 2.)Thunder 3.) PPC and all in which they made certain revisions to the design as to not include ball joint connections between the collectors and y-pipe and upgraded the casting diameter of the A.I.R. and E.G.R. provisions. Plus we all know how in demand a quality y-pipe was for the system. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I guess I didn't follow along with all that happened closely enough. I was under the impression that PPC, QTP, and Thunder took the design and made their own slight revisions to it to market it as their own. I didn't know that they still all got them from the same source. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" />
<strong>All these headers are still produced by tubular automotive in New Jersey and from there sold to each distributor. Indeed they are all based on the old "Grot" design but it was not Roger Grotyohann that designed these, he just marketed as best he could until he could not keep up in which case he simply faded away and Grots became a scarce header system. Then along came 1.)QTP 2.)Thunder 3.) PPC and all in which they made certain revisions to the design as to not include ball joint connections between the collectors and y-pipe and upgraded the casting diameter of the A.I.R. and E.G.R. provisions. Plus we all know how in demand a quality y-pipe was for the system. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I guess I didn't follow along with all that happened closely enough. I was under the impression that PPC, QTP, and Thunder took the design and made their own slight revisions to it to market it as their own. I didn't know that they still all got them from the same source. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" />
01-27-2003 | 01:01 AM
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Re: HEADER POLL OK....
Yes, It's no secret that the PPC, Thunder & QTP LT headers are all the same unit. Yes, they are EXACTLY the same thing as what used to be called a Groty.
Yes, I provided my car to the header manufacturer in order for THEM to properly design the EGR & AIR fittings (do it right.. high quality). If PPC, Thunder or QTP orders the headers from the manufacturer with these fittings (PPC does).... they will be very high quality. If they're added on after..... well....
Yes, each company (PPC, Thunder & QTP) makes their own Y-pipes.
Yes, PPC offers the pipes with or without R.T. Cats. We will only use R.T. cats due to their high flow & high quality.
Thanks,
Gordon
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Yes, It's no secret that the PPC, Thunder & QTP LT headers are all the same unit. Yes, they are EXACTLY the same thing as what used to be called a Groty.
Yes, I provided my car to the header manufacturer in order for THEM to properly design the EGR & AIR fittings (do it right.. high quality). If PPC, Thunder or QTP orders the headers from the manufacturer with these fittings (PPC does).... they will be very high quality. If they're added on after..... well....
Yes, each company (PPC, Thunder & QTP) makes their own Y-pipes.
Yes, PPC offers the pipes with or without R.T. Cats. We will only use R.T. cats due to their high flow & high quality.
Thanks,
Gordon
www.provenperformanceconcepts.com
<img src="http://www.provenperformanceconcepts.com/PPC%20BANNER%20468x60.jpg" alt=" - " />
01-27-2003 | 01:10 AM
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Re: HEADER POLL </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by M3EATER:
<strong>
Yes, PPC offers the pipes with or without R.T. Cats. We will only use R.T. cats due to their high flow & high quality.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I wish more headers were sold with RTs only. I might have even considered using cats had Bassani offered them with their Y-pipe, and if I ever do get cats welded in RTs are the only ones I would consider. I hate the trash cats that most y-pipes come with, and I wish more would follow this lead. I know that SLP has always offered RT cats, but I don't care for their headers.
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Yes, PPC offers the pipes with or without R.T. Cats. We will only use R.T. cats due to their high flow & high quality.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I wish more headers were sold with RTs only. I might have even considered using cats had Bassani offered them with their Y-pipe, and if I ever do get cats welded in RTs are the only ones I would consider. I hate the trash cats that most y-pipes come with, and I wish more would follow this lead. I know that SLP has always offered RT cats, but I don't care for their headers.
