160 Degree Thermostat
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by 2xLS1
Choco, do you really think an engine with a 160* t-stat runs at 160* and then so does the oil?
Originally Posted by ilirw325
you are just a dumb college kid, like I am, except i am passed the "know it all stage"
that you seem to be stuck in......typical online mechanic... i think I read you are an engineering student as am I at Purdue. Big difference tho...I turn my own wrenches and have knowledge based on doing and not on what tens of thousands of other people on a message board have said...I know you like to get the last word...so i will wait for it and then laugh again.
that you seem to be stuck in......typical online mechanic... i think I read you are an engineering student as am I at Purdue. Big difference tho...I turn my own wrenches and have knowledge based on doing and not on what tens of thousands of other people on a message board have said...I know you like to get the last word...so i will wait for it and then laugh again.
again, read:
http://www.hardcorels1.com/vbulletin...read.php?t=375
i guess you can take your argument up with him, too. he seems to say the same things i've said.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by MISERICORDIA
What is this special temp at which the detergents in oil become active? 180? 190? 197.582? Wouldn't the detergents just be less effective at lower temps?
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
no- hence i never said that - but the point is it doesn't run hot enough to boil out the water in the oil or fully activate the detergents in the oil. the final temperature of the engine is lower than it's meant to be operated at and that is all that matters.
let me know when you're finished with the "i'm fighting a losing argument so i'll default to personal insults since i have no facts to back up my claim" stage and we'll talk, mmmk?
again, read:
http://www.hardcorels1.com/vbulletin...read.php?t=375
i guess you can take your argument up with him, too. he seems to say the same things i've said.
let me know when you're finished with the "i'm fighting a losing argument so i'll default to personal insults since i have no facts to back up my claim" stage and we'll talk, mmmk?
again, read:
http://www.hardcorels1.com/vbulletin...read.php?t=375
i guess you can take your argument up with him, too. he seems to say the same things i've said.
ilirw325's point is proven. all of your knowledge comes from sources that are from others.. not from what you've seen or what you've encountered. If you've lacking what it takes to make a factual statement based on experinence, and not hearsay then keep it to yourself instead of corrupting more brains that want to learn things the right way: Hands On and are simply seeking advice. ilirw325 is not the only one who is sick of your know it all statements which are expressed by you as the gospel of choco taco.
Originally Posted by MISERICORDIA
What is this special temp at which the detergents in oil become active? 180? 190? 197.582? Wouldn't the detergents just be less effective at lower temps?
Have you logged or monitored oil temps with a 160* t-stat and with a 195* t-stat? I'd like to know what these are at various outside ambient temps.
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Originally Posted by EvoWake
ilirw325's point is proven. all of your knowledge comes from sources that are from others.. not from what you've seen or what you've encountered. If you've lacking what it takes to make a factual statement based on experinence, and not hearsay then keep it to yourself instead of corrupting more brains that want to learn things the right way: Hands On and are simply seeking advice. ilirw325 is not the only one who is sick of your know it all statements which are expressed by you as the gospel of choco taco.
i put a 160* thermostat in my other car when i was getting some work done. my mechanic told me not to do it for the exact reasons i mentioned above (and he's 65, he's been working on cars for 45 years, how's that for experience?) i did it anyway since i paid for it and i regretted doing it afterwards. the car ran better hot and got better fuel mpg without the t-stat. i eventually sold the car. again, IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE, yes, that's right, my own experience, 160* thermo is a bad idea.
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
no- hence i never said that - but the point is it doesn't run hot enough to boil out the water in the oil or fully activate the detergents in the oil. the final temperature of the engine is lower than it's meant to be operated at and that is all that matters.
fact: pic I took few months back
gosh those cleaners arent working at all in my cold running motor with its 160 tstat.
better put the stocker in.
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Verdad Gallardo "you are just a dumb college kid, like I am, except i am passed the "know it all stage"
that you seem to be stuck in......typical online mechanic... i think I read you are an engineering student as am I at Purdue. Big difference tho...I turn my own wrenches and have knowledge based on doing and not on what tens of thousands of other people on a message board have said...I know you like to get the last word...so i will wait for it and then laugh again."
This Point is proven. You even proved it yourself in your last post. I'm not going to argue, but just be aware that I along with much of the ls1tech population takes what you say with a grain of salt. Don't waste so much of your time. Instead of posting nonsense on the forum that you "read somewhere" or heard from "someone" why don't you go and get your hands dirty. I have 47 posts on this forum, you have over 1,400. Guess what. My car will take yours at the strip. Why? Because I spend more time with tools in my hands, and not sitting infront of my computer with a fat egotistical head.
that you seem to be stuck in......typical online mechanic... i think I read you are an engineering student as am I at Purdue. Big difference tho...I turn my own wrenches and have knowledge based on doing and not on what tens of thousands of other people on a message board have said...I know you like to get the last word...so i will wait for it and then laugh again."
This Point is proven. You even proved it yourself in your last post. I'm not going to argue, but just be aware that I along with much of the ls1tech population takes what you say with a grain of salt. Don't waste so much of your time. Instead of posting nonsense on the forum that you "read somewhere" or heard from "someone" why don't you go and get your hands dirty. I have 47 posts on this forum, you have over 1,400. Guess what. My car will take yours at the strip. Why? Because I spend more time with tools in my hands, and not sitting infront of my computer with a fat egotistical head.
My take is if your car is stock and are flying a Green Peace sign in your yard and really are concerned about the pollutants that come out of your tail pipe, then keep the 195* t-stat and run your car hotter. That is why GM runs them hot. I'm old enough to have been working on cars when GM switched from 180* t-stats to 195* t-stats in 1971 and it was done for emission reasons, not performance or oil reasons.
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If I might add, I have seen and heard about LS1s with 160* t-stats running worse. I have been told that it is because with today's engineering and electronics the engine's are supposed to run like they were made at a certain temperature.
But, the point is (and I think we can all rest on this), it isn't killing anyone or "grenading" anyone's engine to run a 160* t-stat.
But, the point is (and I think we can all rest on this), it isn't killing anyone or "grenading" anyone's engine to run a 160* t-stat.
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Originally Posted by EvoWake
This Point is proven. You even proved it yourself in your last post. I'm not going to argue, but just be aware that I along with much of the ls1tech population takes what you say with a grain of salt. Don't waste so much of your time. Instead of posting nonsense on the forum that you "read somewhere" or heard from "someone" why don't you go and get your hands dirty. I have 47 posts on this forum, you have over 1,400. Guess what. My car will take yours at the strip. Why? Because I spend more time with tools in my hands, and not sitting infront of my computer with a fat egotistical head.
i believe the stock t-state is not 195*, it's 186*.
again, coolant makes oil milky, not water. water settles to the bottom. it doesn't mix with oil. i don't know how many more times this can be said. water gets in from the air, not from the coolant lines. if there is coolant in your engine oil, you have a leaking head gasket. you will not see water vapor in your oil unless you drain your oil pan after the car has been sitting overnight. there is so much wrong information in this thread from you guys it's nuts!
his "point", if you cam even call it that, was valid for engines 50 years ago. today, it's PROVEN that 160* thermos don't get the job done. stop living in the past. our engines aren't designed to run cool like they were 50 years ago. fight fact all you want.
Last edited by ChocoTaco369; Aug 14, 2006 at 12:25 PM.
I meant the point made in the quote ilirw325 originally said: "you are just a dumb college kid, like I am, except i am passed the "know it all stage"
that you seem to be stuck in......typical online mechanic... i think I read you are an engineering student as am I at Purdue. Big difference tho...I turn my own wrenches and have knowledge based on doing and not on what tens of thousands of other people on a message board have said...I know you like to get the last word...so i will wait for it and then laugh again."
You can think what you will about whatever you want. Here Invest in this and then come back after a few weeks: Buy This First
that you seem to be stuck in......typical online mechanic... i think I read you are an engineering student as am I at Purdue. Big difference tho...I turn my own wrenches and have knowledge based on doing and not on what tens of thousands of other people on a message board have said...I know you like to get the last word...so i will wait for it and then laugh again."
You can think what you will about whatever you want. Here Invest in this and then come back after a few weeks: Buy This First
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
our engines aren't designed to run cool like they were 50 years ago..
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Originally Posted by 2xLS1
Only because they are designed and engineered to meet EPA emission requirements. Get that through your head.
the whole engines are reworked to work with higher temperatures. the FLUIDS, coolant and oil, are designed to work at a higher temperature to achieve maximum performance. i NEVER said you wouldn't pick up a few horsepower. i said you're going to dirtying your engine. your oil and coolant both work best at thee 210 degree to 215 degree range. oils 50 years ago broke down at those temperatures. that is why they ran the engines cooler. i don't understand how you are not getting this.
horsepower was NEVER an arguement here. the argument is that your engine will get dirtier and run poorer because the oils don't achieve maximum cleaning until a higher temperature range. this is why you can run oil for 5,000 miles now instead of 1,000 miles 50 years ago. our oils and engines run better HOT.
it's also a reason why engines go 200,000 miles today. 50 years ago, an engine going 100,000 miles was ancient. now it's commonplace. why? our engines today run hotter and stay cleaner leading to longer life.
Originally Posted by EvoWake
You can think what you will about whatever you want. Here Invest in this and then come back after a few weeks: Buy This First
Ha ha you can't usually see water vapor anywhere... certainly not in your oil. You might however see condensed water vapor in your oil if you have a head gasket go bad or crack something. And yes it will make your oil go milky if there is enough of it. They may not mix but that doesn't mean it cannot be temporarily suspended.
I've been putting 160 stats on all of my cars through 11 years of my driving/owning them(7 cars and trucks) and you know what none, yep "NONE" of them had any issues w/ grenading or breaking. In fact, my firebird that I just sold a month ago had 160 stat put in since I bought it BRAND new. It doesn't burn oil, no grenading or breaking. It still pulled like it was the day I got it and it has 196,xxx miles when I sold it.
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Originally Posted by MISERICORDIA
Ha ha you can't usually see water vapor anywhere... certainly not in your oil. You might however see condensed water vapor in your oil if you have a head gasket go bad or crack something. And yes it will make your oil go milky if there is enough of it. They may not mix but that doesn't mean it cannot be temporarily suspended.
everyone post up their age in this thread.
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
wake up after a dewey night. check your oil. you'll see it's just that - oil. however, drain the oil pan right afterwards. be amazed as water comes out first.
everyone post up their age in this thread.
everyone post up their age in this thread.
Perhaps water would come out first if there were any in the oil pan. How much water comes out is more important. There proly won't even be enough to see if any at all.
I just recently bought a 160 stat and had it chromed, however, I have not installed it yet. I also have headers, exhaust, just bolt ons. I plan on installing the t stat within the next few weeks, and have the fan temps changed with a programmer. I've never heard of people have issues with a aftermarket stat.