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From: Philly
Originally Posted by RrCoX22
no... im not saying it will match the FRA in rwhp
Originally Posted by RrCoX22
i would rather pick up just as much rwhp doin the "free" FRA mod instead of paying $130 for something just as good that needs the FRA mod either ways. who cares if its directing airflow and cooling it passing my fans. not enough to sway me away from just doing FRA
it works. i have it. i like it. it's not going anywhere.
Originally Posted by Tainted
there were 2 posts not to lnog ago, within the alst 2 months from guys that added the SSRA alone at got 1-2 10ths at the track and like a mph better
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
umm, yes you did
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by RrCoX22
i said it would be in the proximity not equally matched and balanced... quoting... "just as much" in case there needs to be clairifing
you'll only see a tenth from a lid on average, and since a lid is $100, you're basically paying $100 for a tenth off your 1/4 mile time. now, with the ram air kits you see 1-2 tenths for $150 (that's about what i paid for my FTRA new). so that's about the same horsepower per dollar ratio as a lid. by your justification, you shouldn't buy a lid because the horsepower per dollar amount sucks. i just feel your rationalization of the FRA is completely unjustified and you're just making it up to comfort yourself. you WILL gain over the FRA, guaranteed. do i feel that the cost is justified to buy an FTRA/SSRA? definitely. it's about the same horsepower per dollar ratio as a lid, and everyone on LS1Tech will agree a lid is not only the best first mod, but ESSENTIAL.
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
i know what ya said. i just think your opinions have wavered a bit after going through this thread. don't BS me
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
you'll only see a tenth from a lid on average, and since a lid is $100, you're basically paying $100 for a tenth off your 1/4 mile time. now, with the ram air kits you see 1-2 tenths for $150 (that's about what i paid for my FTRA new). so that's about the same horsepower per dollar ratio as a lid. by your justification, you shouldn't buy a lid because the horsepower per dollar amount sucks. i just feel your rationalization of the FRA is completely unjustified and you're just making it up to comfort yourself. you WILL gain over the FRA, guaranteed. do i feel that the cost is justified to buy an FTRA/SSRA? definitely. it's about the same horsepower per dollar ratio as a lid, and everyone on LS1Tech will agree a lid is not only the best first mod, but ESSENTIAL.
my feel is that the FRA will give close enough gains to the SSRA for myself. if you feel that $150 is worth 1/10th that is fine. for me FRA will will satisfy that area for now...
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
you WILL gain over the FRA, guaranteed
just saying i would like to see evidence of how much the gains are in the differnce between the two (not saying that they're the the same)
1/10th over FRA? or stock airbox?
for $150... ok... all for it (believer in every little bit counts)
is it worth it? to you, it is right now... to me, i can wait
I'm feeling convinced.
I think i'm gonna pick the FTRA kit up.
there's no possible way FRA can compare.. it's just logical. and 170 bucks sounds like it would be clearly well spent considering how easy the install is and even better when used with a lid.
is this combo possible to draw too much air into the system?
I think i'm gonna pick the FTRA kit up.
there's no possible way FRA can compare.. it's just logical. and 170 bucks sounds like it would be clearly well spent considering how easy the install is and even better when used with a lid.
is this combo possible to draw too much air into the system?
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RrCoX22 - Ok, I'm not trying to roast you but you are ignorant, you just don't know. Not your fault, but you can't shoot down anything you do not have any experience with.
You HAVE to do the FRA to install the SSRA (FTRA or whatever). It works, deal with it. I have had it for about 4 or so years on my SS. I have had no problems with it sucking up any water, even with the massive floods we have in Houston.
The only problem I had is that the epoxy was crap and all sections fell aparts, but I just fixed it with a better epoxy. This was when the SSRA first came out, so I bet they are better now.
I do not have the upper section anymore due to it not fitting with my BeCool radiator, but I still have the lower section mounted.
Again, not trying to jump your ****, just telling you how it is.
Peace,
Craig.
You HAVE to do the FRA to install the SSRA (FTRA or whatever). It works, deal with it. I have had it for about 4 or so years on my SS. I have had no problems with it sucking up any water, even with the massive floods we have in Houston.
The only problem I had is that the epoxy was crap and all sections fell aparts, but I just fixed it with a better epoxy. This was when the SSRA first came out, so I bet they are better now.
I do not have the upper section anymore due to it not fitting with my BeCool radiator, but I still have the lower section mounted.
Again, not trying to jump your ****, just telling you how it is.
Peace,
Craig.
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From: England
Originally Posted by RrCoX22
till you guys come up with numbers and facts i will stay with my own opinion
For highway use the FRA is fine, but from a dig it does nothing but increase IAT's. These "ram air" setups utilise cool air ducting so IAT's are much nearer to abmient at any speed or standstill.
It really has nothing to do with ramming anything and ram air is a miss understood term which is primarily used incorrectly as a marketing tool.
But as far as the theory behind ram air goes the FTRA does follow the correct guide lines plus I suspect it also either by deisgn or by luck happens to be well suited to the Ls1's natural harmonic frequency. This is something called air box resonance and again is proven in many more places than just Ls1's.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by RrCoX22
the fact of the matter is that im not even talking about a lid here buddy. there is no reason to bring that up and DON'T start putting words out there on something that wasn't even discussed on my behalf concerning my opinon on the lid as that has not even been expressed.
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton
your loss, there have been many posts about the FTRA with track times.
For highway use the FRA is fine, but from a dig it does nothing but increase IAT's. These "ram air" setups utilise cool air ducting so IAT's are much nearer to abmient at any speed or standstill.
It really has nothing to do with ramming anything and ram air is a miss understood term which is primarily used incorrectly as a marketing tool.
But as far as the theory behind ram air goes the FTRA does follow the correct guide lines plus I suspect it also either by deisgn or by luck happens to be well suited to the Ls1's natural harmonic frequency. This is something called air box resonance and again is proven in many more places than just Ls1's.
For highway use the FRA is fine, but from a dig it does nothing but increase IAT's. These "ram air" setups utilise cool air ducting so IAT's are much nearer to abmient at any speed or standstill.
It really has nothing to do with ramming anything and ram air is a miss understood term which is primarily used incorrectly as a marketing tool.
But as far as the theory behind ram air goes the FTRA does follow the correct guide lines plus I suspect it also either by deisgn or by luck happens to be well suited to the Ls1's natural harmonic frequency. This is something called air box resonance and again is proven in many more places than just Ls1's.
Been runnin the FTRA for over three years now..no wet air filters or leaves in it yet..it is good for a tenth to 2 tenths in the quarter..bought it used in the parts for sale section for $75 and I figure it was worth it.. 
FYI for the dude who needed some varification of the product. Check out www.installuniversity.com back in December of 2000 there was a review done on the FTRA..the short story is that the car picked up 5,7% in fuel economy, .073 in the eighth mile ET, and .456 MPH in the eight mile speed ....that equates to about 5 RWHP.. those numbers should be better in the quarter mile because of the product working much better at higher speeds generated in the quarter mile..that is some of the least expensive performance that you will ever buy and the saving in fuel will pay for the mod in a short time...go and read the whole article it concerns an increase in volumetric efficiency ... this is really "old old news" but I guess that everyone was a newbie at one time or another..
PS Ya gotta do the FRA mod to use either the super sucker or the FTRA
FYI for the dude who needed some varification of the product. Check out www.installuniversity.com back in December of 2000 there was a review done on the FTRA..the short story is that the car picked up 5,7% in fuel economy, .073 in the eighth mile ET, and .456 MPH in the eight mile speed ....that equates to about 5 RWHP.. those numbers should be better in the quarter mile because of the product working much better at higher speeds generated in the quarter mile..that is some of the least expensive performance that you will ever buy and the saving in fuel will pay for the mod in a short time...go and read the whole article it concerns an increase in volumetric efficiency ... this is really "old old news" but I guess that everyone was a newbie at one time or another..
PS Ya gotta do the FRA mod to use either the super sucker or the FTRA
Last edited by slt200mph; Nov 20, 2006 at 02:56 PM.
Originally Posted by silverbandit0996
CHILDREN, CHILDREN! CALM DOWN AND GO TO YOUR ROOMS!
i think it is a matter of prefrence, some like it others dont.
i think it is a matter of prefrence, some like it others dont.
You got that right it is a free country...I am sure that some like to go slower than others and some like to get less gas milage than others..let me know the next you meet one of those folks and we can call Ripleys Beleive It or Not ..
The dude wanted varification so I provided him with a very comprehensive article on a test of the product in question..nuff said..
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Originally Posted by dailydriver
Supposedly Vararam was working on a system for LSxx f bodies that actually had "positive pressure increases" at the intake manifold (a REAL "ram air" system). I don't know what ever became of this. I'm guessing that with the demise of the 4th gen f bodies, and the ease/profit of making/designing systems for y bodies and trucks/SUVs, the whole deal was shelved.
Some of the info they used to have on their website was very funny and totally incorrect unless they had found a way to defy physics.
Originally Posted by CRAGER
but you are ignorant, you just don't know. Not your fault, but you can't shoot down anything you do not have any experience with.
You HAVE to do the FRA to install the SSRA (FTRA or whatever). It works, deal with it. .
You HAVE to do the FRA to install the SSRA (FTRA or whatever). It works, deal with it. .
Originally Posted by RrCoX22
that needs the FRA mod either ways.
Originally Posted by slt200mph
review done on the FTRA..the short story is that the car picked up 5,7% in fuel economy, .073 in the eighth mile ET, and .456 MPH in the eight mile speed ....that equates to about 5 RWHP..
are those number vs. a stock airbox? simply how much of a difference is there with a "SSRA" compared to "FRA" that's where im going with this.
IM NOT PUTTING IT DOWN AS IM A BIG BELIEVER IN EVERY LITTLE BIT COUNTS! i will most likely be installing the SSRA on my next cam install as i like the idea of plastic and live in a hot weathered environment. so i'm all for it... i was just putting up comparisons. thank you i'm done
my thoughts are every little bit helps, thats why i do dumb stuff like free mods and small little weight reductions and all that crap adds up! i bought a package deal of stuff and sold some of it which made the SSRA free, so i'm not complaining at all. And i too have driven through rain and all and never had a problem with it...
