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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 04:33 AM
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so where does the fast 90/90 set up really shine. from what i can tell its not with FI cuz a ls6 and ported t.b do just as well. so who does really well with them? big cube N/As?
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Big cube motors mainly. A stout heads and cam 346 can benefit greatly as well.
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not FI though? just doesnt do that much more?
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 05:59 AM
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Well, yes good for FI. You are afterall moving more air. Also good for nitrous. Most people are afraid that they are going to blow the burst panel on the FAST with FI so they will get a sheetmetal intake or a Weiand/Holley.
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 06:02 AM
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for the price and all though im prolly just better off getting an ls6 and ported t.b for fi though huh
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so where does the fast 90/90 set up really shine. from what i can tell its not with FI cuz a ls6 and ported t.b do just as well. so who does really well with them? big cube N/As?
A LS6 intake and ported throttle body will not touch the Fast setup on any car that has more than the basic boltons. FI, nitrous, h/c, big cubes....the fast will shine way above a LS6 setup.

There is obviously better setups for serious applications...but for the middle of the road 400-500 hp...the Fast is the way to go.
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Old Feb 11, 2007 | 10:52 PM
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From what I have read and been told from many professionals, the 90/90 is only a small amount better than an ls6 intake (approximately 8-12 cfm on intake or ~10hp) However, a ported ls6 will outflow/outperform the FAST slightly. Still, the FAST is a great intake for an ls1 and when ported, its probably the best on the market with the exception of sheetmetal.

*By the way, dont think i'm against the FAST intake, I'm a big fan.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 05:24 AM
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I'll tell you Thursday when I dyno. I had a LS6 intake and a stock Jantzer-ported throttle body with stock MAF. It's definitely a change because my car is a tad louder since my F.A.S.T. 90/90 setup went on ... that tells me it's allowing a lot more air ... once it's tuned, I hope to see about 10-15 RWHP, though, some people on here see 20-25 or more.

I added a 90mm MAF a few days later because it allows more CFM screened than the ported stock TB unscreened, which means the airflow with be smoother .... FWIW.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 06:43 AM
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A ported FAST 90/90 will outperform an LS6/ported TB through the entire RPM range on a 346 motor. Check out Patrick G's plot for the Mamo ported FAST that he installed with a CheaTR cam, you will see exactly this. There are many other posts with the same results. Its not just for big cubes.
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 07:10 AM
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I recommend the Fast even with a mild combo. My airflow increased from 0.86g/cyl to 0.95g/cyl with no other change other than the Fast90/90 combo.
Thats like a 9% increase in airflow at peak torque. I expect a similar increase in power. ~30-40bhp.
Ill post up the gains as I did a before dyno with the LS6.
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Originally Posted by mxmatt137
From what I have read and been told from many professionals, the 90/90 is only a small amount better than an ls6 intake (approximately 8-12 cfm on intake or ~10hp) However, a ported ls6 will outflow/outperform the FAST slightly. Still, the FAST is a great intake for an ls1 and when ported, its probably the best on the market with the exception of sheetmetal.

*By the way, dont think i'm against the FAST intake, I'm a big fan.
Where did you read this...and what the hell shop told you that. Like I previously stated....The LS6 will probably be best suited with basic boltons. Anything past that, then the Fast setup will outperform the LS6 hands down throughout the curve. The more the mods, the more the Fast will shine.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 02:44 AM
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as true as that is fast intakes dont respond to boost very well from what ive heard
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for the price and all though im prolly just better off getting an ls6 and ported t.b for fi though huh

You said it not me.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 07:35 AM
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The fast is great for big cubes, large H/C packages, and N2O or a combination of them. It will work on some FI setups but isn't reliable on high boost applications. I know of a few that have come aprt during boost. LS6, LS2, Carb, or sheetmetal intakes are better for boost.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 07:42 AM
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As someone who works on these types of cars EVERYDAY, I would say the LS6 is the best UNTIL you hit about 500hp. The gains you receive under 450HP are not sufficient enough to ration spending $600 more on an intake. But Mike is absolutely correct. When you start throwing 500+ HP to the car then you need the extra air flow. Don't be mistaken and buy the 78mm TB and Intake b/c only a fool wanting to throw his money down the drain would waste money like that. Only way to go with the FAST would be 90/90 and heck the Nick Williams 90mm TB is actually prob. a better combo than the FAST 90/90 setup. Just IMO, hope this helps a little.
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I think the point is.......the Fast WILL outperform a LS6 intake and ported throttle body on any car past a bolt on car. A cam only, H/C, big cube, nitrous, cam nitrous...etc...............the Fast is a proven better performer.

Now...is it worth the money? Well that is up to the individual. Depends on how bad he wants that extra 15-25 extra hp. But the Fast is without a doubt a better performer...hands down.
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Well ... getting anxious to prove that mike#9. Thursday morning will tell the tale ... new FAST 90/90 with a brand new SLP 90mm MAF ... new MTI clear lid to go with it. I'll put up the dyno's Thursday and I have a really good feeling about it ... keepin' the MAF screened for smoother airflow. Mike Norris is my tuner and he'll tune 'er to safe numbers. No jack-legging the dynojet or tricking the PCM ... just straight-up Mike Norris tuning ... as compared to my last dyno session with Mike. 15+ RWHP and 3+ RWTQ and I'm happy, but, I think 20-25 HP and 10+ TQ is very likely on a conservative/safe tune.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 05:33 PM
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Well i have a ported fast and it di 20rwhp over my ls6 and i dont have big cubes just heads and small cam
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Well i have a ported fast and it di 20rwhp over my ls6 and i dont have big cubes just heads and small cam
And I did more than that with a 78mm FAST
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Originally Posted by john563
Well i have a ported fast and it di 20rwhp over my ls6 and i dont have big cubes just heads and small cam
What cam?
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