Bassani Header- WTF? (Cartek Dyno)
Bassani Header- WTF? (Cartek Dyno) On 2/23/02, I had my car dyno'ed at Cartek-
(SLP Lid & Magnaflow Catback)
318.4 HP, 329.5 TQ
Added Bassani Headers w/ Bassani Cat's & Y-pipe, had car dyno'ed again at Cartek:
322.2 HP, 332.7 TQ
That comes to a whopping 3.8 HP, or approximately $460.00 per each hp!
Needless to say, I'm not a happy camper.
I contacted Bassani and they offered to do the right thing and gave me a return authorization.. and I'm in a pickle because I already spent $475.00 for Cartek to do the install of the headers.
I really don't want to pay Cartek again for a full install, but I also don't want have nice looking headers that don't help my car substantially.
As it is, I had to return to Cartek for some problems with the initial install (loose plug wire & exhaust leak) and will have to again return to Cartek to either:
1) Fix Bassani's (exhaust leak and/or loose plug wire) and then stay with them.
2) Lay out another $300.00 for FLP's plus whatever Julio at Cartek decides I should pay to remove the problematic Bassani's (which will probably be necessary anyway to replace leaking gasket) and replace with FLP's.
I'm really tormented over this crap.. any recommendations?????
<img src="http://www.jailhouse-diary.com/bassanidyno.jpg" alt="" />
(SLP Lid & Magnaflow Catback)
318.4 HP, 329.5 TQ
Added Bassani Headers w/ Bassani Cat's & Y-pipe, had car dyno'ed again at Cartek:
322.2 HP, 332.7 TQ
That comes to a whopping 3.8 HP, or approximately $460.00 per each hp!
Needless to say, I'm not a happy camper.
I contacted Bassani and they offered to do the right thing and gave me a return authorization.. and I'm in a pickle because I already spent $475.00 for Cartek to do the install of the headers.
I really don't want to pay Cartek again for a full install, but I also don't want have nice looking headers that don't help my car substantially.
As it is, I had to return to Cartek for some problems with the initial install (loose plug wire & exhaust leak) and will have to again return to Cartek to either:
1) Fix Bassani's (exhaust leak and/or loose plug wire) and then stay with them.
2) Lay out another $300.00 for FLP's plus whatever Julio at Cartek decides I should pay to remove the problematic Bassani's (which will probably be necessary anyway to replace leaking gasket) and replace with FLP's.
I'm really tormented over this crap.. any recommendations?????
<img src="http://www.jailhouse-diary.com/bassanidyno.jpg" alt="" />
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Re: Bassani Header- WTF? (Cartek Dyno) dude that sucks man! i say go with FLP's i love mine i gained 17 RWHP and 22 RWTQ peak power on a stock motor! not bad in my book! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> and i can swap the cats in and out if i want too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Bassani Header- WTF? (Cartek Dyno) In a way, I am glad that you checked in with your results, I was looking last week for anyone that had them and what they were worth power wise over the Mac's. I didn't think I would hear this kind of report back. All I can say is I am very sorry to hear the out come of these headers. Are they a mid length? or shorties? Did you have a good AF on the dyno after the install? I wish you the best of luck reaching your new decision.
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Re: Bassani Header- WTF? (Cartek Dyno) It’s the Bassani cats! They are 100% GARBAGE!!! They are made by catco, and you’d be better off to jam two house cats into your tailpipes than these POS. I used a Catco once on and old Formula I had and the car ran faster with the clogged stock cat than the catco.
The Bassani’s will make good power with and ORY or better cats. We just installed a set on one of my club cars. The car is an ’01 M6 SS and with only the Bassani’s w/ ORY, SLP air lid, and loudmouth catback it dyno’ed 347rwhp @5400 and 361rwtq @4500. Unfortunately, we did not do a before and after dyno, but if the Bassani’s were no good, I doubt he would have gotten these numbers.
I am very impressed with the quality of the headers themselves, and I plan to order a set for my car soon. The key here is, DON’T GET THE CATS!!!
The Bassani’s will make good power with and ORY or better cats. We just installed a set on one of my club cars. The car is an ’01 M6 SS and with only the Bassani’s w/ ORY, SLP air lid, and loudmouth catback it dyno’ed 347rwhp @5400 and 361rwtq @4500. Unfortunately, we did not do a before and after dyno, but if the Bassani’s were no good, I doubt he would have gotten these numbers.
I am very impressed with the quality of the headers themselves, and I plan to order a set for my car soon. The key here is, DON’T GET THE CATS!!!
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Re: Bassani Header- WTF? (Cartek Dyno) I dont know about the long tubes, but i know that when i added my mac's with ory-pipe, i gained 24RWHP and 27RWTQ on the dyno. i have been very pleased with the mod.. but when i put the mac's on, they had just came out and long tubes were not even an option at the time!! but i have no regrets with this setup!!
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Re: Bassani Header- WTF? (Cartek Dyno) </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mrb00formula:
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... and will have to again return to Cartek to either:
1) Fix Bassani's (exhaust leak and/or loose plug wire) and then stay with them.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Could these problems be the cause of the low dyno result? Where is it leaking? Is there a loose plug wire. I'm very interested in the Bassani's because I have heard they fit really well and due to the mid-length design won't be a hassle as far as ground clearance goes. I'm hoping this is not indicative of all results we will see. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
[QB]
... and will have to again return to Cartek to either:
1) Fix Bassani's (exhaust leak and/or loose plug wire) and then stay with them.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Could these problems be the cause of the low dyno result? Where is it leaking? Is there a loose plug wire. I'm very interested in the Bassani's because I have heard they fit really well and due to the mid-length design won't be a hassle as far as ground clearance goes. I'm hoping this is not indicative of all results we will see. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" />
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Verdad Gallardo Re: Bassani Header- WTF? (Cartek Dyno) </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by rom3:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mrb00formula:
[QB]
... and will have to again return to Cartek to either:
1) Fix Bassani's (exhaust leak and/or loose plug wire) and then stay with them.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Could these problems be the cause of the low dyno result? Where is it leaking? Is there a loose plug wire. I'm very interested in the Bassani's because I have heard they fit really well and due to the mid-length design won't be a hassle as far as ground clearance goes. I'm hoping this is not indicative of all results we will see. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The plug wire was arcing.. seems fixed, slight exhaust leak on pass side- to be addressed later next week.
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mrb00formula:
[QB]
... and will have to again return to Cartek to either:
1) Fix Bassani's (exhaust leak and/or loose plug wire) and then stay with them.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Could these problems be the cause of the low dyno result? Where is it leaking? Is there a loose plug wire. I'm very interested in the Bassani's because I have heard they fit really well and due to the mid-length design won't be a hassle as far as ground clearance goes. I'm hoping this is not indicative of all results we will see. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The plug wire was arcing.. seems fixed, slight exhaust leak on pass side- to be addressed later next week.
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Re: Bassani Header- WTF? (Cartek Dyno) One thing you guys haven't mentioned, which is paramount after ANY header install, is proper tuning!! I know there's a plug issue and/or exhaust leak but you have to dial in your Long Term FT's as well as O2's. Have you A-tapped the car? Are you using a MAFT? Who knows, without that exhaust leak and plug arc issue, with proper tuning your car could potentially see the power you were originally hoping for.
Re: Bassani Header- WTF? (Cartek Dyno) </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by TrentSS:
<strong>One thing you guys haven't mentioned, which is paramount after ANY header install, is proper tuning!! I know there's a plug issue and/or exhaust leak but you have to dial in your Long Term FT's as well as O2's. Have you A-tapped the car? Are you using a MAFT? Who knows, without that exhaust leak and plug arc issue, with proper tuning your car could potentially see the power you were originally hoping for.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with TrentSS. All of these issues would cause a lower than expected result. Also, it is not a good idea to compare dyno results from 2 days with such differing weather conditions. Even corrected numbers will be skewed by such a tremendous temperature difference.
<strong>One thing you guys haven't mentioned, which is paramount after ANY header install, is proper tuning!! I know there's a plug issue and/or exhaust leak but you have to dial in your Long Term FT's as well as O2's. Have you A-tapped the car? Are you using a MAFT? Who knows, without that exhaust leak and plug arc issue, with proper tuning your car could potentially see the power you were originally hoping for.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with TrentSS. All of these issues would cause a lower than expected result. Also, it is not a good idea to compare dyno results from 2 days with such differing weather conditions. Even corrected numbers will be skewed by such a tremendous temperature difference.
