. We all know a ported stock casting can beat out an aftermarket head, just not one that starts with a P........
Trick flow or patriot heads
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Trick flow or patriot heads Hello guys and gals i have a 2000 ta and want to do heads i have a stock 6.0 out of a caddy and want to upgrade the heads ive heard good things about the tf and the patriots just wanted to get some opinions thanks
patriots and trick flows don't belong in the same sentence. budget heads would be PRC,Livernois, and patriot. quality aftermarket heads( AFR,Trick Flow,ETP, and ported Darts) are a different animal. your choice is made by your budget and over all goals for the car
Patriot is a great option if you're budget is in the $12-1300 range.
If you can afford the TF + $400 Yella Terras (a necessity for TF heads), then go with the TF's. Get the CNC 215's. And make sure the valvetrain geometry is correct, and wipe pattern is good.
If you can afford the TF + $400 Yella Terras (a necessity for TF heads), then go with the TF's. Get the CNC 215's. And make sure the valvetrain geometry is correct, and wipe pattern is good.
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The TFS heads have quite a few advantages over a ported GM casting. 13.5* Valve angles/thicker deck surface/thicker rocker boss are just a few....
Give me a call if I can help you out.
Give me a call if I can help you out.
Save up the extra $$$ and go w/ TF. Looking back on my decision (Patriot 243's), i probably should have just waited a little bit longer to dish out the extra money for a new casting.
However, for budget heads, you can't go wrong w/ either PRC (Texas Speed) or Patriot. I would just have the heads inspected before install to be sure everything is as it should be.
However, for budget heads, you can't go wrong w/ either PRC (Texas Speed) or Patriot. I would just have the heads inspected before install to be sure everything is as it should be.
there is nothing wrong with some good ol patriots. i've put a set or 2 on in my day and had decent results. they are a solid and cost effective choice.
i've also put on some afr's and some tfs, and had stellar results. they are more expensive for a reason. they really do make big power! they are also set up for more abuse if you will, thicker rocker pads/decks/spring bases etc.
if you have the extra kilo layin around, get the tfs/afr's. tfs being my choice. they do 'require' aftermarket rockers, however. thats another story for another day, but suffice it to say you should plan on an extra ~$400 for that. so honestly, they are probably close to if not double the cost of the patriots.
ultimately it comes down to cost for this exercise. hp/$ ratio, what your future plans are, if you can live with not having 'the best' etc.
i've also put on some afr's and some tfs, and had stellar results. they are more expensive for a reason. they really do make big power! they are also set up for more abuse if you will, thicker rocker pads/decks/spring bases etc.
if you have the extra kilo layin around, get the tfs/afr's. tfs being my choice. they do 'require' aftermarket rockers, however. thats another story for another day, but suffice it to say you should plan on an extra ~$400 for that. so honestly, they are probably close to if not double the cost of the patriots.
ultimately it comes down to cost for this exercise. hp/$ ratio, what your future plans are, if you can live with not having 'the best' etc.
If you get a chance, give us a call and we will be glad to go over options and pricing with you. We not only offer one of the best CNC ported OEM castings on the market, we back it up with superior customer service and great performance!
Definately spend some free time in the dyno section of ls1tech prior to making a cylinder head purchase. Look for independent results from all the possible cylinder heads your considering.
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2005 Twin Turbo C6
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Jason
Co-Owner, Texas Speed & Performance, Ltd.
2005 Twin Turbo C6
404cid Stroker, 67mm Twins
994rwhp/902lb ft @ 22 psi (mustang dyno) www.Texas-Speed.com
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We had a buddy’s set of stage 3 patriot heads flowed. They have 2.08/1.6 valves.
.200 134
.300 191
.400 239
.500 272
.600 301
.650 303
stg 3 on 4" bore
Not exactly what we were hoping for. Patriot advertises them to flow allot more.
I would buy PRC heads.
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.200 134
.300 191
.400 239
.500 272
.600 301
.650 303
stg 3 on 4" bore
Not exactly what we were hoping for. Patriot advertises them to flow allot more.
I would buy PRC heads.
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Last edited by 2000PewterZ28; Jan 30, 2009 at 10:10 AM.
ya i would be dissapointed with those results as well
ps i vote patriots and spend the extra $ on a 90/90 or directport or something along those lines
