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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by robertbartsch
I'm not sure why you should subscribe to the notion that "this stuff happens...." ...you paid full value and received a head that is defective....

I would expect the seller to replace the head with a new unit and pay for parts and labor to swap the bad one out...
Well, that's what one would EXPECT but in this world of crappy customer service that's not always what happens unfortunately. I'm not saying that MTI has crappy customer service by any means - I haven't dealt with them, but there are very few places in general (not just car shops) that really know how to take care of the customer it seems lately. There are a few exceptions of course, but they are rare.
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CANNIBAL
I'm saying that shops that make/sell a product never re-imburse the consumer the labor and/or extra parts (gaskets,etc) needed to for the job unless they (the company that sold/installs it) performs the repair. If you're a remote buyer and order your stuff and have it shipped to you and have it installed you're NOT going to be reimbursed for the labor another shop/person did. That's just the way it is. I have never seen a shop/tuner/vendor prove me otherwise.
In a general sense, you are absolutely right. I have however, seen a couple vendors/sponsors like Jay at Absolute really bend over backwards to help his customers out. I just wish more companies in general made a little extra effort to make sure the customer was very happy with their purchase. Honestly it can go a long way if some people would just take the time.
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JF WS6
In a general sense, you are absolutely right. I have however, seen a couple vendors/sponsors like Jay at Absolute really bend over backwards to help his customers out. I just wish more companies in general made a little extra effort to make sure the customer was very happy with their purchase. Honestly it can go a long way if some people would just take the time.
There are exceptions to every rule of thumb , some are nice exceptions , some aren't
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 01:23 PM
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I've seen this before. When we port the GEN III cylinder heads, one area near the entrance to the bowl is prone to leakage. You won't see anything(holes) but under pressure, the coolant will "bleed" from the aluminum and cause slow consumption without any white smoke. Send it back to MTI and we'll get it squared up for you asap! Sorry you had the problem but we'll get you taken care of.

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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 01:57 PM
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Should be a relatively easy fix. We repair all kinds of aluminum heads that look much worse. Sometimes 2 chambers combine to be 1 and it's an easy fix.
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Old Oct 27, 2003 | 02:08 PM
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Personally, I wouldn't want a "new" head to replace that one. The heads are ported in matched pairs, by the same head porter for each pair. I'd want the matching one simply repaired and returned if it were my choice.

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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MTI
I've seen this before. When we port the GEN III cylinder heads, one area near the entrance to the bowl is prone to leakage. You won't see anything(holes) but under pressure, the coolant will "bleed" from the aluminum and cause slow consumption without any white smoke. Send it back to MTI and we'll get it squared up for you asap! Sorry you had the problem but we'll get you taken care of.

Jayson - MTI

Thanks Jayson. I'll be in touch with you today.
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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MTI
I've seen this before. When we port the GEN III cylinder heads, one area near the entrance to the bowl is prone to leakage. You won't see anything(holes) but under pressure, the coolant will "bleed" from the aluminum and cause slow consumption without any white smoke. Send it back to MTI and we'll get it squared up for you asap! Sorry you had the problem but we'll get you taken care of.

Jayson - MTI

Thanks Jayson. I'll be in touch with you today. I just want the head fixed. I already have ordered my bolt kit and still need to get the gasket kit but my main concern is the head. I dont really expect MTI to pick up the tab on the gasket/bolt kit.
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Old Oct 28, 2003 | 11:09 AM
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I agree with Tony, that is why we run aluminum because it can be easily fixed. I know of 2 guys in the country that can repair and will 100% guarantee their work. One is in Texas the other in KY. If you need phone numbers I can let you know.

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Old Nov 2, 2003 | 10:56 PM
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MTI woudlnt warranty a dropped sleeve from a 422 with only 2000 miles on it.
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Old Nov 2, 2003 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by GrannySShifting
MTI woudlnt warranty a dropped sleeve from a 422 with only 2000 miles on it.
What 422 are you talking about?
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by blk~2000~Z28
What 422 are you talking about?
Probably Calvin's 422 out of his C5 Corvette... that would be my guess.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 05:53 PM
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From the photo it appears you have fabricated a block off plate to cover the vent tube port behnd the cylinder that is giving you trouble. Is this something you made yourself? When I had my heads CNCed I was told the vent tube was needed to route steam from the heads to the radiator.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
"That head is scrap"??? Come on Mikey, as a shop owner I'd have expected a more realistic answer. These heads are aluminum and can easily be welded up and refinished. Repairing a port-thru crack is very simple, and very common. I've literally torn up a combustion chamber when a piston came apart, and it was very simple to weld back up and finish. You couldn't even tell the damaged chamber apart from the others when it was done.

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Well Tony I disagree based on experiences I have had. I have had two sets of cylinder heads repaired with this exact problem (non sponsor heads) and were fine for a while until the problem returned in a slightly different area just shy of the weld and sand area. The chamber is an easier fix because there is more material there to work with. The intake port walls are very thin and difficult to repair correclty.

Oh yeah, relax pal it wasn't an attack on your buds just my experience. Guess I'm just a novice
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