Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Pushrods and ls7 lifter question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 09:25 AM
  #21  
94 s dime's Avatar
TECH Regular
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 406
Likes: 0
Default

i like how tsp told me it wasnt anything to worry about when i ordered the lifters and pushrods.. they said the 7.4 was fine
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 12:53 PM
  #22  
fccs's Avatar
Thread Starter
12 Second Club
15 Year Member
iTrader: (26)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,373
Likes: 3
From: PA
Default

Originally Posted by 94 s dime
i like how tsp told me it wasnt anything to worry about when i ordered the lifters and pushrods.. they said the 7.4 was fine
Yea alot of people told me that.. idk where there getting info from because 7.4 is WAY to long for the ls7 lifters, it wouldn't even turn until we went to a 7.35 which was perfect and right in the middle. I'm awaiting my pushrods now so this can be done already!
Reply
Old Jun 13, 2009 | 03:12 PM
  #23  
DustinWS6's Avatar
On The Tree
20 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 158
Likes: 0
From: Florence, AL
Default

Originally Posted by fccs
Yea alot of people told me that.. idk where there getting info from because 7.4 is WAY to long for the ls7 lifters, it wouldn't even turn until we went to a 7.35 which was perfect and right in the middle. I'm awaiting my pushrods now so this can be done already!
What do you mean it wouldn't even turn? I have only put about 15 miles on my heads and lifters since the install. If the 7.4" pushrods are indeed too long I'm going to change them out. Don't want to beat the new lifters up.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 12:03 AM
  #24  
fccs's Avatar
Thread Starter
12 Second Club
15 Year Member
iTrader: (26)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,373
Likes: 3
From: PA
Default

Originally Posted by DustinWS6
What do you mean it wouldn't even turn? I have only put about 15 miles on my heads and lifters since the install. If the 7.4" pushrods are indeed too long I'm going to change them out. Don't want to beat the new lifters up.
You would know if they are to long.. We measured with a adjustable pushrod, do you have a cam? heads? and ls7 lifters? that all could affect it, I just think that the ls7 lifters were the ones that affected it the most since my heads aren't milled. And when I say it wouldn't turn, I mean we couldn't manually crank it, the pushrods were to long it wouldn't even move. When we tried 7.35 it was perfect!


This is my motor as it sits now, im awaiting my new pushrods.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 02:04 AM
  #25  
corvet786c's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
15 Year Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,410
Likes: 11
From: Port St. Lucie, Fl
Default

I am goin to be using 7.350 with the LS7 lifters in a few weeks for head install.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 09:07 AM
  #26  
BRAKE's Avatar
On The Tree
20 Year Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 126
Likes: 0
From: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by 94 s dime
i like how tsp told me it wasnt anything to worry about when i ordered the lifters and pushrods.. they said the 7.4 was fine
Yep, told me the same thing. Only they told me a 7.45 and the heads I ordered had a 59cc chamber.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 10:29 AM
  #27  
94 s dime's Avatar
TECH Regular
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 406
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by BRAKE
Yep, told me the same thing. Only they told me a 7.45 and the heads I ordered had a 59cc chamber.
If i were to do it agian, i would be asking predator z everything instead of takng the salesman advice
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 02:24 PM
  #28  
fccs's Avatar
Thread Starter
12 Second Club
15 Year Member
iTrader: (26)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,373
Likes: 3
From: PA
Default

Yea just measure to be on the safe side!
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2009 | 02:42 PM
  #29  
rpmauto's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 709
Likes: 0
From: Wisconsin
Default

yes, the only way to know is to measure, once install pushrods once.
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2009 | 10:32 AM
  #30  
JBIRD02's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,075
Likes: 0
From: Orange Park/ Jacksonville, FL
Default

I was also told the LS7 were the same as LS1's. When I did my heads, we welded an old LS1 lifter to make it solid to check ptv clearance because I milled my heads to 62cc and I came up with 7.300, then figured in .075 preload for a total of 7.375. The math seemed to verify my measurements since I was running 7.425's cam only w/ stock heads, so I didn't re-measure. I got about 500 miles on it w/ the LS7's & 7.375's and so far so good, but after seeing this, its got me worried & now I guess I need to go measure again w/ the LS7's in there.

Last edited by JBIRD02; Jun 15, 2009 at 03:20 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2009 | 07:53 AM
  #31  
schufflerbot's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: houston, TX.
Default

this has been driving me nuts for months.

i installed a new cam (228, 232, .590, .590 @ 113lsa) and it blew one of my already failing LS1 lifters out. replaced the lifters with LS7s and then valvetrain noise took over my life. when the oil got hot, it would CLACK CLACK CLACK like crazy, something you could hear from a block away... literally.
so, i had another NEW set of LS7 lifters installed yesterday and im hearing some of the same noises, just not as pronounced.
im ordering a PR length checker today, my question is this: if i have ~300 miles on the new LS7 lifters and the preload is too much (runnin the TSP 7.40 PRs now) will changing the pushrods out do anything? will it correct the problem (assuming PR length is it) or do the lifters 'set' themselves to the pushrod in some way?

thanks!
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2009 | 10:47 AM
  #32  
FastB's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 231
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
Default

Below is an email that I sent to Patrick G. and his response below that.



ME:
Patrick, I have decided to change my lifters to LS7 lifters when I do the cam swap. You recommended 7.425" pushrods with stock lifters. Should I go with a shorter pushrod now that I am going to be putting LS7 lifters in? Thanks for your help.


Patrick G:
The LS7 lifters use the same preload as LS1 lifters. The 7.425" pushrods will work well in this case.

Patrick Guerra - The Guerra Group - 114 Spokane Avenue - Victoria, Tx. 77904 -
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2009 | 11:08 AM
  #33  
schufflerbot's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: houston, TX.
Default

Originally Posted by FastB
Below is an email that I sent to Patrick G. and his response below that.



ME:
Patrick, I have decided to change my lifters to LS7 lifters when I do the cam swap. You recommended 7.425" pushrods with stock lifters. Should I go with a shorter pushrod now that I am going to be putting LS7 lifters in? Thanks for your help.


Patrick G:
The LS7 lifters use the same preload as LS1 lifters. The 7.425" pushrods will work well in this case.

Patrick Guerra - The Guerra Group - 114 Spokane Avenue - Victoria, Tx. 77904 -
what are your cam specs?
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2009 | 11:51 AM
  #34  
PREDATOR-Z's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 14,620
Likes: 17
From: BFE
Default

Originally Posted by FastB
Below is an email that I sent to Patrick G. and his response below that.



ME:
Patrick, I have decided to change my lifters to LS7 lifters when I do the cam swap. You recommended 7.425" pushrods with stock lifters. Should I go with a shorter pushrod now that I am going to be putting LS7 lifters in? Thanks for your help.


Patrick G:
The LS7 lifters use the same preload as LS1 lifters. The 7.425" pushrods will work well in this case.

Patrick Guerra - The Guerra Group - 114 Spokane Avenue - Victoria, Tx. 77904 -
Yes they use same preload range, however we have determined by measurement that the internals of the LS7 lifter (with pic) sit higher.
So if the 7.425 get you let us say .100 preload or more on LS1 lifters, that would be like .125+ in LS7 and that would make it too close to plunger bottoming out.
So bottom line, measure instead of shooting a dice roll.
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2009 | 12:24 PM
  #35  
FastB's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 231
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
Default

Originally Posted by schufflerbot
what are your cam specs?
226/234 .598”/.602” 111LSA +3 advance
Reply
Old Jul 28, 2009 | 12:41 PM
  #36  
sscamaroburn02's Avatar
TECH Addict
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,052
Likes: 7
Default

this must explain why i had set of ls7 lifters fail on me. i was using 7.4 pr. i switched over to comp oem lifters and it has been much quieter.
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:42 AM.