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Old 06-18-2009, 09:21 AM
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So some of the guys at Summit didn't know what the hell I was talking about except for one guy which im trying to talk to again. I need a .040 smaller rod bearing and be .002 bigger on the outside (rod had to be resized bigger)

I have a set of P series bearings already but only rod had to be resized so I need this one bearing.

.040 undersized
.002 oversized
Clevite 77 P-series rod bearing
Anyone know where I can get one of these or the clevite part number?
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Ok what you asking makes it seem like the crank is 2 different sizes for that particular rod .

If that's the case you need a new crank, or have it turned to be all the same.
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Nah the rod journals were cut .040 smaller in diameter but the one rod was resized .002 bigger. Cant resize the rods back to spec like normal sbc rods cuz these are fractured rods and cant cut the height of the cap to restore the id. smaller....get it?
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u may have to get a new rod.
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Nah I know they make these bearings, I had one I got for it a while ago but lost it, my fault. The one guy at summit found the bearing I need but only saw them in his database in a set of 8 so he sent out an email, I'll know tomorrow if I can get one individually
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So the crank was turned down .040 smaller. If you are talking about the mains, or the rods. So you would need a .040 oversized bearings, then only one of your connecting rod are .002 bigger. What is the oil clearance on your motor. Then assemble the motor and plastic gauge and find out the oil clearnce on the bearing to rod. If there is a problem with the tolerance I would just go head adn over size the rest of your rods. It would proably be the best route. It would seem to me that the way you are trying to go is the easy way out, and may lead to more expenses in long run.
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Not that hard to understand....He spun 1 rod bearing(i Assume) and he the then had the crank turned .040 under so he needs (7) .040 oversized I.D. bearings. He had (1) rod resized and needs (1) .040 oversived I.D. with a ..002 over sided O.D.
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Originally Posted by beedo
Not that hard to understand....He spun 1 rod bearing(i Assume) and he the then had the crank turned .040 under so he needs (7) .040 oversized I.D. bearings. He had (1) rod resized and needs (1) .040 oversived I.D. with a ..002 over sided O.D.
Exactly!

and yea the kid spun two rod bearings, one was realll bad hence the reason for the .040 AND resize the rod. The upper and lower bearing had fused into one and was still paper thin. Basically was an oil pan full of metal when I took it apart hah
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It's Clevite part number 1776P-40, it's in the Clevite catalog, too easy.

And some people wonder why these "tech" guys get a bad rep...

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Originally Posted by KCS
It's Clevite part number 1776P-40, it's in the Clevite catalog, too easy.

And some people wonder why these "tech" guys get a bad rep...

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Yup the one guy that actually did find it gave me that pn except for a few more letters: CLB-CB1776P40

Problem now is I can't find anyone that has one, if summit isn't able to get it.

Know anywhere I can get one of these?
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Here is the Jegs p/n, 695-CB1776P40, but you're looking at 12 to 19 days before shipping.
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Originally Posted by beedo
Not that hard to understand....He spun 1 rod bearing(i Assume) and he the then had the crank turned .040 under so he needs (7) .040 oversized I.D. bearings. He had (1) rod resized and needs (1) .040 oversived I.D. with a ..002 over sided O.D.
Ok that explained it a little better lol. Your first post confused me about what you were looking for. Glad somebody knew the part number for the bearing, that should make things much easier.
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Originally Posted by Notmyvette
Yup the one guy that actually did find it gave me that pn except for a few more letters: CLB-CB1776P40

Problem now is I can't find anyone that has one, if summit isn't able to get it.

Know anywhere I can get one of these?
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Give Clevite/Mahle a call. If you can't order from them, they can give you local authorized dealers to contact. Engine shops (ie LME, HKE, W2W, TSP) will be able to get them for sure.
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Yes it deff helped me out, thanks alot.

Now if I wanted to ask a local speed shop if they could order it what part number would I tell them? Not sure what the CLB, CB, or 695 means, I would assume jegs or summit's own kind of numbers?
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Can I ask a speed shop for a 1776P-40 part number? or would I need any other numbers?

I can't find Mahle Clevite's number anywhere on the site, do you happen to have it?
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Nvm, found it through summit
It's 800-338-8786 for anyone ever looking for it.

I'm waiting on 2 places to call on monday to see if they can get it
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You could also try Scoggin Dickey. I am sure they would have it or could get if for you and it is always best to stick with a sponsor on here. I have worked with them several times and their customer service and knowledge is much greater than what you will find at the giant parts warehouses.
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Originally Posted by wicknewman
You could also try Scoggin Dickey. I am sure they would have it or could get if for you and it is always best to stick with a sponsor on here. I have worked with them several times and their customer service and knowledge is much greater than what you will find at the giant parts warehouses.
I had emailed SD and got no response...I got it through a local speed shop but I just went to go put it in last night and it doesn't fit. When you slide the bearing into the rod cap it's extremely tight and when you put either end over the crank journal it only contacts half of the surface (the outsides....Seems like it's too "big" or thick....I'll measure the rod bore today to make sure the shop did only machine .002 out of the cap..but this blowsss it has to be in the car ASAP! Any other suggestions by finding out where the mess up is? and I'm gonna need a new Correct bearing overnighted once I find out what new? measurement I need.
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Originally Posted by Notmyvette
I had emailed SD and got no response...I got it through a local speed shop but I just went to go put it in last night and it doesn't fit. When you slide the bearing into the rod cap it's extremely tight and when you put either end over the crank journal it only contacts half of the surface (the outsides....Seems like it's too "big" or thick....I'll measure the rod bore today to make sure the shop did only machine .002 out of the cap..but this blowsss it has to be in the car ASAP! Any other suggestions by finding out where the mess up is? and I'm gonna need a new Correct bearing overnighted once I find out what new? measurement I need.
That sounds normal. The bearing should have a press fit when it is in the housing bore. Bearings are not round either until you install them and torque the fasteners to spec. Mahle/Clevite have a great amount of info about bearings that could explain in more detail.
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Yeah, agreed but Im talking about with the bearings in the cap and rod when I go to place them over the crank journal they only touch the crank journal on the outsides of the bearings....If you were to picture using a .040 bearing on a non .040 cut crank rod journal, that's what it's like. it would not touch all the way around but only the little bit in the beginning. and only this bearing was very tight to install in the rod and cap, the others had the normal about of crush so something is wrong somewhere....I need to mic the rod journal on the crank and the rod boring with the bearings in and go from there I guess....



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