lemons12

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if your just doing the cam.. no need for injectors.. you will be no where near the limit..
if you get an xpipe you need mufflers and take it out the back, or dump it.. although i dont suggest that for a DD..
you dont have to build the trans.. mine was fine for 15k hard miles with a VIG 4k..
ls6 intake is only 300 shipped or less..
IMO under drive pulley is wasting money on a budget build..

ms4z28

I have seen people run out of injector before on just a cam swap and others I have seen run a mid sized cam and ls6 ported heads but I've almost always see people blow there trannys with a cam swap especially with over 100k and it's a budget build so no pulley like you said and ls6 is 300 less and I know for a fact that can make over 450 and the x pipe I have mine dumped and I dd my car it's if you can handle it or not I'm fine others can't stand it I kinda like it but I'm only 20 so....I have time before I lose my hearing

lemons12

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true, but most dont run max out on a cam only or H/C swap..
i hardly ever see a4s go...
me and my car buddies have all had minimum of cam.. most with heads.. some with big shots.. all on stock transmission with big stalls.. no problems..
dont get me wrong i loved my xpipe.... just for a DD it gets old.. i now have magnaflow through kooks Y and headers.. have a cutout for when i want to be loud...

heres my old exhaust setup..
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531348.flv

it sounds like sex..
but just got old..

FWIW, im 20 also...

ms4z28

Sorry I'm on my mobile I can't check out the video but I'm sure it does you have ms4 right... Well I'm sure I know what it sounds like... But yeah well the shop that I worked at the last case I saw was a guy got a ms3 put in with a 4k that night racing a cobra killed the tranny (still won the race) and at that shop I've seen a lot of stock trannys blow I guess working at a shop that specializes in ls1's I guess you would see a lot...

99Ls1fever

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With a 4k Budget and 135 thousand miles on your engine. IT IS A NO BRAINER, REBUILD THE ENGINE. You can forge the bottom end for 1100 Bucks!!!!!! And, Still have almost 3k left over. Then you have a fresh motor, (think this out.) 135k miles or 0 miles???? .
Why upgrade a possibile tired motor? When you forge and you can do what ever you want all day ZERO ISSUES!!!

LIST:
Diamond Forged Pistions $649
Comstar Callie Rods $549
Texas Speed Gasket Kit $422
Oil Pump(Should Replace) $130
Total So Far: $1750.00
Left to Spend:$2250
TSP Heads/ Camshaft Package w/ Valvetrain upgrades $1609
New Total Spent:$ 3859

460 PLUS HP Engine easy with higher compression pistions through a M6!!!!

lemons12

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yes, ms4..

i guess if you saw 50 ls1s come through with stock transmission in a month.. and 5 of those blew.. it would seem like a lot..

i would wait til mine blew, then upgrade though!

i have not looked into getting my engine forged, therefore dont know what it entails (price range).. if that is true... do it..

conan

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For 4k you will have enough for forged rods, pistons, bearings, and machine shop cost's. I would ask around your local machine shops and see if any have lsx experience, also I would let them mic every thing first then order pistons to the size they are going to hone it to. Also once you have the rods and pistons have them ballance the rotating assembly. Check out the mahle pistons that are avalible in the 346-347 ci you have alot of options. http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/cate...MID=1&catid=38
I would look in to the flat tops with a -1 or -2 cc relief, this will give you alot of cam freedom with out PTV clearance problems with shaved heads, and you won't give up much in the compression department.

I have the mahle pistons with a -4cc relief with the 317/6.0L head and my compression is at 9.4 - 1. So you could always change your heads down the road for some 72cc combustion chambers if you decide to go down the FI road and the short block will be ready for that too.

99Ls1fever

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This is the exact cost from AIR. Altitide Intense Racing out of Brighton Colorado. Who built my Forged 347 Charged me. I have the build sheet with pricing in front of me. I swear to it. Not as bad as people think. I did my whole bottom end with a Custom Cam for 2500.

KillaCamZ28

2500 labor and maching, or does that include parts too???

Also, where did u find the h/c package for $1600

Thanks for all the help guys

99Ls1fever

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2500 Total, but I gave him my stock 853 heads, stock cam, LS1 intake, stock pistions and rods. Stuff I didnt need he said he could sell.

$1600 heads and cam package through Texas Speed. Everything you need, all valvetrain upgrades!!! (Here is over a 100 hp)
http://texas-speed.com/shop/item.asp...d=203&catid=47

TransAmcoupe98

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[QUOTE]2500 Total, but I gave him my stock 853 heads, stock cam, LS1 intake, stock pistions and rods. Stuff I didnt need he said he could sell./QUOTE]
That's pretty darn cheap. When I had my turbo trans am built, the machine work to hone it out .005 to a 347c.i., Eagle rods and Wiseco pistons with ARP rod bolts and crank bearings, with labor and machine work cost it was around $3500. Its different everywhere.

WhiteRhino

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4k = 408 short block...

13lu91rS

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Hp numbers on a cobra don't mean much to me. today I stayed right with a cobra that put down 460 with pulley exhaust and tune. And I only put down 340 with mods in sig. So if I were you I wouldnt worry about his high hp numbers.

lemons12

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and you still have to buy heads intake cam etc etc etc..

much more money.. you can compete with a lot of 408s on a properly built 347..

99Ls1fever

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My 408 Build about broke the bank
4,400 TSP 408 Short Block, Cam, and Pushrods
1000 PP Stage 3 LQ9 Heads
900 Fast 90/90 Ported
400 Injectors
422 TSP Gasket Kit
140 TSP Ported LS6 Oil Pump
130 Double Roller T.C.
100 LS7 Lifters

That about killed me!!!

lemons12

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nd if im going 408... im going with AFRs or the equal.. and an FAST LSX intake or whatever it is..

99Ls1fever

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Yeah, I probabley should have gone a different route on some of the things. But it was a learning build that I needed to happen. It still put down 531 n/a hp though and 480 trq.

lemons12

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you got what you payed for!

Red99TA

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Nothing wrong with that...plenty of big Ci builds on here don't even hit 500 RWHP.

99Ls1fever

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Very True, Texas Speed was is to thank, they helped me set everything up.

Yeah, I just got lucky and had great customer service help with TSP. I must have called them 50 times to check and re-check everything and get advice.