450+ rwhp DD???
And really for Just the cam swap injectors cam oil pump spring etc., it's in the area of 1200 all new parts... With out exhaust then go Texas 1 7/8" headers and x pipe for about 900-1000 and if you have a4 then a converter and most likely a build trans about 2000 all together and m6 a ls7 clutch or a spec 3 clutch would be good for like 600. That without heads and intake if you get a ls6 you can get it like 400 and heads like 1000-1200 oh and underdruve pulley that like 200 while you have the balancer doing the cam swap if you want to. It gets expensive quick
if you get an xpipe you need mufflers and take it out the back, or dump it.. although i dont suggest that for a DD..
you dont have to build the trans.. mine was fine for 15k hard miles with a VIG 4k..
ls6 intake is only 300 shipped or less..
IMO under drive pulley is wasting money on a budget build..
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From: shafter ca
if your just doing the cam.. no need for injectors.. you will be no where near the limit..
if you get an xpipe you need mufflers and take it out the back, or dump it.. although i dont suggest that for a DD..
you dont have to build the trans.. mine was fine for 15k hard miles with a VIG 4k..
ls6 intake is only 300 shipped or less..
IMO under drive pulley is wasting money on a budget build..
if you get an xpipe you need mufflers and take it out the back, or dump it.. although i dont suggest that for a DD..
you dont have to build the trans.. mine was fine for 15k hard miles with a VIG 4k..
ls6 intake is only 300 shipped or less..
IMO under drive pulley is wasting money on a budget build..
I have seen people run out of injector before on just a cam swap and others I have seen run a mid sized cam and ls6 ported heads but I've almost always see people blow there trannys with a cam swap especially with over 100k and it's a budget build so no pulley like you said and ls6 is 300 less and I know for a fact that can make over 450 and the x pipe I have mine dumped and I dd my car it's if you can handle it or not I'm fine others can't stand it I kinda like it but I'm only 20 so....I have time before I lose my hearing
i hardly ever see a4s go...
me and my car buddies have all had minimum of cam.. most with heads.. some with big shots.. all on stock transmission with big stalls.. no problems..
dont get me wrong i loved my xpipe.... just for a DD it gets old.. i now have magnaflow through kooks Y and headers..
have a cutout for when i want to be loud... heres my old exhaust setup..
http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=SD531348.flv
it sounds like sex..
but just got old..
FWIW, im 20 also...
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Sorry I'm on my mobile I can't check out the video but I'm sure it does you have ms4 right... Well I'm sure I know what it sounds like... But yeah well the shop that I worked at the last case I saw was a guy got a ms3 put in with a 4k that night racing a cobra killed the tranny (still won the race) and at that shop I've seen a lot of stock trannys blow I guess working at a shop that specializes in ls1's I guess you would see a lot...
I'd like to keep it around $4000 parts. Its 2000 for the texas speed h/c cam package which comes with ported oil pump, timin chain, and pushrods.. then hopefully can find a deal for a ported 90/90 on here.. and LT on here... i figure 1500 for both LTs and intake/tb.. if im patient.. and i still have lifters, perhaps block work, and bolts and bearings.. and i figure all thats in the ball park of $4k
BUT if i wanna wait a couple extra months or so.. ill be able to go with pistons and connecting rods.. I just dont know how many months i can take with my buds cobra embarrasin my Z.. then again if i wait some extra months .. throw a nos kit in there and then its not even a race.. im still debating on which way to go.. bc i know ill end up getting pistons and rods eventually, just dont know if i should wait til forced induction is a more realistic goal
BUT if i wanna wait a couple extra months or so.. ill be able to go with pistons and connecting rods.. I just dont know how many months i can take with my buds cobra embarrasin my Z.. then again if i wait some extra months .. throw a nos kit in there and then its not even a race.. im still debating on which way to go.. bc i know ill end up getting pistons and rods eventually, just dont know if i should wait til forced induction is a more realistic goal
With a 4k Budget and 135 thousand miles on your engine. IT IS A NO BRAINER, REBUILD THE ENGINE. You can forge the bottom end for 1100 Bucks!!!!!! And, Still have almost 3k left over. Then you have a fresh motor, (think this out.) 135k miles or 0 miles????
.Why upgrade a possibile tired motor? When you forge and you can do what ever you want all day ZERO ISSUES!!!
LIST:
Diamond Forged Pistions $649
Comstar Callie Rods $549
Texas Speed Gasket Kit $422
Oil Pump(Should Replace) $130
Total So Far: $1750.00
Left to Spend:$2250
TSP Heads/ Camshaft Package w/ Valvetrain upgrades $1609
New Total Spent:$ 3859
460 PLUS HP Engine easy with higher compression pistions through a M6!!!!
Sorry I'm on my mobile I can't check out the video but I'm sure it does you have ms4 right... Well I'm sure I know what it sounds like... But yeah well the shop that I worked at the last case I saw was a guy got a ms3 put in with a 4k that night racing a cobra killed the tranny (still won the race) and at that shop I've seen a lot of stock trannys blow I guess working at a shop that specializes in ls1's I guess you would see a lot...
i guess if you saw 50 ls1s come through with stock transmission in a month.. and 5 of those blew.. it would seem like a lot..
i would wait til mine blew, then upgrade though!
With a 4k Budget and 135 thousand miles on your engine. IT IS A NO BRAINER, REBUILD THE ENGINE. You can forge the bottom end for 1100 Bucks!!!!!! And, Still have almost 3k left over. Then you have a fresh motor, (think this out.) 135k miles or 0 miles???? .
Why upgrade a possibile tired motor? When you forge and you can do what ever you want all day ZERO ISSUES!!!
LIST:
Diamond Forged Pistions $649
Comstar Callie Rods $549
Texas Speed Gasket Kit $422
Oil Pump(Should Replace) $130
Total So Far: $1750.00
Left to Spend:$2250
TSP Heads/ Camshaft Package w/ Valvetrain upgrades $1609
New Total Spent:$ 3859
460 PLUS HP Engine easy with higher compression pistions through a M6!!!!
.Why upgrade a possibile tired motor? When you forge and you can do what ever you want all day ZERO ISSUES!!!
LIST:
Diamond Forged Pistions $649
Comstar Callie Rods $549
Texas Speed Gasket Kit $422
Oil Pump(Should Replace) $130
Total So Far: $1750.00
Left to Spend:$2250
TSP Heads/ Camshaft Package w/ Valvetrain upgrades $1609
New Total Spent:$ 3859
460 PLUS HP Engine easy with higher compression pistions through a M6!!!!
I'd like to keep it around $4000 parts. Its 2000 for the texas speed h/c cam package which comes with ported oil pump, timin chain, and pushrods.. then hopefully can find a deal for a ported 90/90 on here.. and LT on here... i figure 1500 for both LTs and intake/tb.. if im patient.. and i still have lifters, perhaps block work, and bolts and bearings.. and i figure all thats in the ball park of $4k
BUT if i wanna wait a couple extra months or so.. ill be able to go with pistons and connecting rods.. I just dont know how many months i can take with my buds cobra embarrasin my Z.. then again if i wait some extra months .. throw a nos kit in there and then its not even a race.. im still debating on which way to go.. bc i know ill end up getting pistons and rods eventually, just dont know if i should wait til forced induction is a more realistic goal
BUT if i wanna wait a couple extra months or so.. ill be able to go with pistons and connecting rods.. I just dont know how many months i can take with my buds cobra embarrasin my Z.. then again if i wait some extra months .. throw a nos kit in there and then its not even a race.. im still debating on which way to go.. bc i know ill end up getting pistons and rods eventually, just dont know if i should wait til forced induction is a more realistic goal
I would look in to the flat tops with a -1 or -2 cc relief, this will give you alot of cam freedom with out PTV clearance problems with shaved heads, and you won't give up much in the compression department.
I have the mahle pistons with a -4cc relief with the 317/6.0L head and my compression is at 9.4 - 1. So you could always change your heads down the road for some 72cc combustion chambers if you decide to go down the FI road and the short block will be ready for that too.
yes, ms4..
i guess if you saw 50 ls1s come through with stock transmission in a month.. and 5 of those blew.. it would seem like a lot..
i would wait til mine blew, then upgrade though!
i have not looked into getting my engine forged, therefore dont know what it entails (price range).. if that is true... do it..
i guess if you saw 50 ls1s come through with stock transmission in a month.. and 5 of those blew.. it would seem like a lot..
i would wait til mine blew, then upgrade though!
i have not looked into getting my engine forged, therefore dont know what it entails (price range).. if that is true... do it..
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Also, where did u find the h/c package for $1600
Thanks for all the help guys
$1600 heads and cam package through Texas Speed. Everything you need, all valvetrain upgrades!!! (Here is over a 100 hp)
http://texas-speed.com/shop/item.asp...d=203&catid=47
[QUOTE]2500 Total, but I gave him my stock 853 heads, stock cam, LS1 intake, stock pistions and rods. Stuff I didnt need he said he could sell./QUOTE]
That's pretty darn cheap. When I had my turbo trans am built, the machine work to hone it out .005 to a 347c.i., Eagle rods and Wiseco pistons with ARP rod bolts and crank bearings, with labor and machine work cost it was around $3500. Its different everywhere.
That's pretty darn cheap. When I had my turbo trans am built, the machine work to hone it out .005 to a 347c.i., Eagle rods and Wiseco pistons with ARP rod bolts and crank bearings, with labor and machine work cost it was around $3500. Its different everywhere.
Hp numbers on a cobra don't mean much to me. today I stayed right with a cobra that put down 460 with pulley exhaust and tune. And I only put down 340 with mods in sig. So if I were you I wouldnt worry about his high hp numbers.
4,400 TSP 408 Short Block, Cam, and Pushrods
1000 PP Stage 3 LQ9 Heads
900 Fast 90/90 Ported
400 Injectors
422 TSP Gasket Kit
140 TSP Ported LS6 Oil Pump
130 Double Roller T.C.
100 LS7 Lifters
That about killed me!!!
nd if im going 408... im going with AFRs or the equal.. and an FAST LSX intake or whatever it is..
Yeah, I probabley should have gone a different route on some of the things. But it was a learning build that I needed to happen. It still put down 531 n/a hp though and 480 trq.
Very True, Texas Speed was is to thank, they helped me set everything up.
Yeah, I just got lucky and had great customer service help with TSP. I must have called them 50 times to check and re-check everything and get advice. 