if i do heads and cam......
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if i do heads and cam...... ok guys i have been just focusing on the bolt ons and i think when i get another car to ride day to day im gonna do heads and cam on my 2000 WS6. i just wanna know what i really need to do?? i want the motor to be really strong and i dont want to have to deal with any problems....i was thinking i need a good head and cam set up ( yeah i need to do a lot of reasearch on that) and everything in the head i would get upgraded and real strong. new push rods, spec stage 3 clutch, moser rear end or just put in HD parts in the stock one? i dont really wanna spend 2500 for a rear end...i plan to take it to the track a few times but not on a consistent basis.....thats all i can really think of doing. any tips or anythign else i would need please let me know. and how much power can i get from doing all the bolt ons and h/c?? i was thinking 430-450 range but im not sure. any info would be great!!!
you dont have to go all out. some patriot 5.3's and a 224 cam with bolt ons will give you 400whp easy. and if you dont plan alot of track racing how much more do you really need :dunno:
highest output h/c i've seen on stock cubes is 470rwhp from the x3, absolute heads, and some other ****.
highest output h/c i've seen on stock cubes is 470rwhp from the x3, absolute heads, and some other ****.
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see, my deal is i THINK i could do a cam but i am afraid of messing something up. would it be good to just get some worked up ls1 heads that just have better and smother flow to them? i will have all the bolt ons, headers back and from the filter to the manfold will all be repalced in the next few months. so being a "full" bolt on car could i hit 400 rwhp with heads? maybe do an exectirc water pump too? toss out some ideas here for me lol
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i knwo i can tear the motor down its gettin the cam in and i guess getting the timing and what not all strait, like i said i dont know much of anything about cams besides wht they do lol i can deal with the heads, that seems like cake
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From: tega cay, SC
hey i'm located in N.C well actually S.C but right across the border over by carowinds. i work in a performance shop though call Performance Auto and i also do side stuff (which this would be). i do cam installs on LS1's for 100 bucks though. all you gotta do is bring me the parts. and i can have it done for ya in a couple hours so long as were not busy. give me a call if your interested....704-641-0712
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do you do clutches? lol id like to do the cam myself, i mean my dad knows some stuff, he had a 74 firebird he did the whole top end on so im sure he will know something. but the clutch i dont know if thats something i can mess with, i read that you need a press or something for the bearing?! i dont know....but i would really like to do this on my own, i havent done anything major like this and would really like to, just dont wanna freak it up...but ill keep that in mind thanks 
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anyone know about the afr heads? i read they were suppose to be really really good...i have seen dyno sheets for mustangs with just heads on a stock motor and it picked up 70 rwhp????!!! dont know how much truth is to that but apparently these are supposed to be the best flowing head from my understanding....let me know what you guys have heard..
lol, your way to worried about hp. just look into building the right package for your budget and dont worry about what exact number it puts out.
the AFR heads arent even out yet and i'll wait for real world results before i make my decision. and im not into gettin every little bit of extra hp when some patriot 5.3 heads will give me what i want at a substantial cheaper cost.
the AFR heads arent even out yet and i'll wait for real world results before i make my decision. and im not into gettin every little bit of extra hp when some patriot 5.3 heads will give me what i want at a substantial cheaper cost.
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Dont worry about the cam swap its not that hard and ther e is plenty of good writeups about it on the net.
http:www.ls1howto.com
http:www.ls1howto.com
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ok i read it all, there really isnt much room to mess up is there? just pulling the cam in and out? and then gettin it lined up. how about getting a tune for heads and cam. i have the predator do i just tell him the cam size or something and have him adjust or would it be ok to just ride around and get number to give to him? anyone have recomendations for what size cam to get and what heads at waht stage?
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i wouldnt even think of getting the heads without a cam. you will probably see/feel more difference in a cam change than a head change. most head upgrades will give u around 25-30 at the wheels.....40 if youre lucky. ive seen cammed ls1s with stock heads bump up 40-50hp to the wheels. do them both man, u will not regret it.
what kind of budget are you working in man. its easier to throw out cams and heads and numbers but it does no good if its not in your budget.
i'd get stage 1 ls6 heads, 2.02/1.60 vavles isky gold springs w/ tit. retainers. hardened pushrods and a comp 224/224 .581/.581 112lsa. plus all the bolts and gaskests and ****.
i'd get stage 1 ls6 heads, 2.02/1.60 vavles isky gold springs w/ tit. retainers. hardened pushrods and a comp 224/224 .581/.581 112lsa. plus all the bolts and gaskests and ****.
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how much would that be? i dont really ahve a budget im 19 live at home and my car is almost paid for so in about 2 months ill beable to spend my money on whatever i want. now i dont wanna go too extreme. i plan on doing a clutch too what about the rear end??
i dont know how much it'd cost, that just what i would get 
. hoestly your best bet is to hit up patriot, tea, absolute and talk real numbers with them and see what you guys can work out.
and what are all your mods. i looked on your site but didnt see a complete list? LT, ls6/lsx intake, pulley, TB, ect.
. hoestly your best bet is to hit up patriot, tea, absolute and talk real numbers with them and see what you guys can work out. and what are all your mods. i looked on your site but didnt see a complete list? LT, ls6/lsx intake, pulley, TB, ect.
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yeah i took the mods off there cause i was having problems, pretty much all the bolt ons are on the list, headers soon, ls6 intake, pulleys, ported TB, everything from the air filter to the intake and everything from the headers back have been done or will be done in the near future.
i was thinkin about doing a new oil pump from slp, timing chain too when doing this....clutch i figured a stage 2 or 3 spec, rear end would it be ok to get HD parts, i.e.: moser axles, hd posi and different gears? i dont really wanna pay all that money for the 12 bolt, woudl this be pretty strong? this is all i cna think of that i would need to upgrade and then i figured i would go get it dyno tuned when i got done, sound like i have it all or is something missing?
patriot heads seem great for stage 2 at $1200, cams are all pretty much $380 like i said i just started to research this stuff so im kinda clue less. i would really like to shoot for 430 at the wheels so i guess ill contact some shops to see what set up could do this and how practical it woudl be for a street car....
i was thinkin about doing a new oil pump from slp, timing chain too when doing this....clutch i figured a stage 2 or 3 spec, rear end would it be ok to get HD parts, i.e.: moser axles, hd posi and different gears? i dont really wanna pay all that money for the 12 bolt, woudl this be pretty strong? this is all i cna think of that i would need to upgrade and then i figured i would go get it dyno tuned when i got done, sound like i have it all or is something missing?
patriot heads seem great for stage 2 at $1200, cams are all pretty much $380 like i said i just started to research this stuff so im kinda clue less. i would really like to shoot for 430 at the wheels so i guess ill contact some shops to see what set up could do this and how practical it woudl be for a street car....