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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 02:19 PM
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Just bought a MTI stealth ll cam: specs 220/224 581/581/ 116
I heard the 918 springs break..Should I get the PSI 1511s or PAC 1218s or..?
Do I use stock pushrods?
I have 42k miles on car should I get a new timing chain and LS6 oil pump?
Am I missing anything?
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 02:25 PM
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if you have the money/time pushrods/pump/chain couldnt hurt... i guess pushrods might not be necessary.

as far as springs idk ive always got mine matched with a cam
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 02:35 PM
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Patriot Gold Dual springs, LS2 timing chain, hardened pushrods, TSP ported LS6 oil pump, and ASP underdrive pulley are what you need for cam swaps.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by eamador11
Patriot Gold Dual springs, LS2 timing chain, hardened pushrods, TSP ported LS6 oil pump, and ASP underdrive pulley are what you need for cam swaps.
Not necessarily. Depending on the application some of those may or may not be needed. Beehive springs will work extremely well in most applications and many times dropping the pan to change the chain and oil pump is not needed. A rundown of the particular cars mileage and intended use would be beneficial to determine what is truly needed and what things would be nice if you can afford it. nIn this case, being an 01 with less than 50K that would be a budget issue.

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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by eamador11
Patriot Gold Dual springs, LS2 timing chain, hardened pushrods, TSP ported LS6 oil pump, and ASP underdrive pulley are what you need for cam swaps.
I'm doing a complete rebuild with a LQ4. I doing all of the above. I would recommend doing it also.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 02:52 PM
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Comp 918's will be fine. They had a bad batch come out a long time ago, but the issue has been corrected. Those springs are good to .600 lift. Pushrods are opinionated, some use stockers, alot use hardened. Stockers will bend if to high an RPM is reached, hardened ones will take more abuse, but if too much, they will shatter. Underdrive pulleys are purely preference. Personally, I think its a waste. Lifters are a concern with a higher mileage vehicle, you will be fine. Oil pump is not mandatory. If it makes you feel better, get it. Its a ***** to install however.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 03:23 PM
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i heard good things with comp 1518 springs. but u have to upgrade pushrods as u will bend one(stock) with the extra spring pressures. thats why the make Hardend PR's

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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 03:42 PM
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I use only a double spring on the 565 in the race car with an almost .800 lift camshaft...they are PSI springs.

Shift it at 7, come out of the burn out box singin at 7400 lol.

Both are good springs though.

I would definately do pushrods and new valve seals as well.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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running the comp 918's and have no problems at all. i plan on adding dual springs once i get some heads either PRC or patriots.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 03:57 PM
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Check out the springs that Livernois Motorsports sells used a set of their .690 lift springs a few months ago. Awesome product and will definitely be buying more from them in the future. They are available in just spring sets and kits with titanium retainers.

http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/...t.phtml?p=1665
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 05:24 PM
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My recommendation PAC 1518 installed at 1.800 height.

How far do you plan on spinning that SSII? I used to run one and unless you want to rev till 6800, better advance it +4*

It would therefore be 224/220 .581/.581 116+4 LSA
7.425 pushrods
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 05:37 PM
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 06:19 PM
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The PSI 1511ML's are great springs. The PAC 1518's are also great springs. Both have surface treatments for longer life. The PAC 1218's are good springs but don't have the same surface treatments as the 1518's, which is worth the extra coin in my book.

Setup is critical with any spring and to maximize life and ensure that seat forces are correct you should plan on the time and tools for correct setup. Don't just slap in springs without measuring.

For pushrods, first ensure the rocker geometry is correct and then measure for springs. Don't buy pushrods now, buy an adjustable so the valve train can be correctly set up.

I would replace the timing chain. As for the pump, depends on the year.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TransAmcoupe98
Underdrive pulleys are purely preference. Personally, I think its a waste.
Eh, it's not a complete waste. My car gained 6rwhp/10rwtq.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 09:35 PM
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IMO i wouldnt run the 918's they still break. i dont care how good of luck you have had with yours... mine and my friends broke a 918 in our car. with a cam no where near the .600 limit. comp is still having bad batches. unless u want to put a new motor in your car. Play it safe and get a dual spring or atleast a different behive spring.
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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I run the pac 1518's and they have done me well.
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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The PAC 1518 springs are a good choice for a single beehive spring ... or you can go to PRC or Patriot duals for more piece of mind.
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 12:13 PM
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 01:25 PM
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Underdrive pulleys are purely preference. Personally, I think its a waste
There's the operative word in that sentence.

That's inaccurate information, and your opinions shouldn't be pronounced as facts.

I think all the other questions in this thread have been thoroughly answered.
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 02:59 PM
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thanks for the input PAC 1518s are it..
I thought this would be alow-mid range cam..do I really need to advance it +4 to shift at 6,200?
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