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Old Nov 25, 2003 | 12:51 PM
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Cubic inches that takes rod length into consideration?
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Old Nov 25, 2003 | 01:38 PM
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well, no that i know of.

it's just another factor Rich. now im curious, why?
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...I was just thinking and getting ready to start this stroker build and realized that I have never seen such a formula, but in fact rod size does directly affect stroke. Right? That started me thinking about the different combo's etc....
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Rod length does not affect CID? If that is your question.

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hmm...ok...i wasn't really sure. Thanks
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What is affected is frictional loss of power due to the thrust loads put on the thrust side of the cylinder walls. This is more prone when short rods are used with long stroke. Maybe that will help.

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So basically a longer rod is going to affect piston speed in the cylinder and would affect compression, as well as put more stress on the piston and cylinder walls as a result. Which might tell me that a 4.125 stroke crank and a 6.125 rod combo might not be a good idea assuming I could have custom pistons made to accomodate it?
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Piston speed is very critical, once you exceed 5280 in piston velocity the engine will going into a pumping harmonic that. . .well simple terms. .will destroy the engine at some point.

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Old Nov 25, 2003 | 04:12 PM
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Try my site for the calcs you need.

Displacement Calc

Piston Speed Calc
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Damn...answered all my ?'s Thanks
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Old Nov 25, 2003 | 04:45 PM
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Piston speed is very critical, once you exceed 5280 in piston velocity the engine will going into a pumping harmonic that. . .well simple terms. .will destroy the engine at some point.

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You probably won't approach that average piston speed in many street or even race engines other than some drag engines. With a 3.75 stroke (383) that's about 8400 rpm or 9100 in a 3.48 stroke. A 6500 rpm 3.75 stroke engine is under 4100 ft/min. Even F1 19,200 rpm engines keep their avg piston speed to about 4900 ft/min. This was recently revealed by BMW for their 2003 F1 engine. Nextel Cup engines are just about the same piston speed at 9000+ rpm.

Rod length doesn't enter into displacement or avg. piston speed calcs. The possible rod length you can stuff into a 3.75 stroke SBC only varies about 10% with 6.125 being about the practical upper limit and 5.565 being about the lower limit.

Choose your rod and piston combination based on use (blown or NA) and cost. IMO, there's not a whole lot of difference in 6.0 or 5.7 rods, but I'd chose the 6.0s for my stroker if my rod of choice was offered in that length as standard.

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No, not in SBC or SBF stuff. I do run into it in the big inch stuff, 540 CID and bigger. It is a critical calculation for those engines.

Nextel Cup. . .jeezeee I'm not going to be able to deal with it. Now our oil pans will be paid for with phone cards!!!!!!

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Yeah its going to be N/A, but later I may run a relatively small shot for insurance. I'm planning the 4.00 stroke with a 6.125 rod. I was toying with the 4.125/6.125 combo, but I think with an iron 6.0L block I'll be ok with the 4.00/6.125 combo. Not to mention the block prep work to get the 4.125 stroke and long rods in there. I don't want to get quite that crazy for a daily driver. Now i'm just going to work on finding some AFFORDABLE pistons for this LS1 ....
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Dang... pistons and rods are pretty affordable(about the same as an sbc).. try pricing a ls1 stroker crank Something that you should be careful of if you go with a 4.125/6.125 is the pin height in the piston.. it will likely be up in the rings, which isn't ideal
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Yeah...that is my concern. I want to keep it as driveable as possible. I've heard we have some LS1 stroker cranks available cheaper than the $1600 Lunati job, but I can't seem to find a link or phone #. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks
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