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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 04:01 PM
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hey guys i was just wondering if there would be any issues with ptv clearences if i install a 233/239 cam from texas-speed with modified 853 heads? the heads are milled .030 thats the only part that im concerned about. any help is appreciated thanks. also if you have any ideas as to what size pushrods ill need that would be great, ill be using ls7 lifters too. thanks again.
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 04:08 PM
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Im going to go with a yes
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 04:24 PM
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shitty not what i was hoping for lol, any idea whats the most lift i can get away with then?
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 07:16 PM
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anybody got any input?
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Flycut the pistons or go with a different cam. If it was me (depending on the budget) I would get a custom specd cam to work with the 853s but I would still measure PTV. Your going to need to measure for correct pushrod length any suggestion other then that is an Internet guess. Are these heads ported also or just milled?

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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 07:51 PM
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Internet guess. Ask TX speed if they've done something similar...or maybe they've done the exact same thing you're contemplating. Worth a phone call.
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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Flycut if that's an option. Or else if you don't want to and a smaller cam would still meet your goals maybe go with something like a 228R or a custom grind in the low 230s. Like the man said, check that PTV clearance, you might get lucky.
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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Internet guess. Ask TX speed if they've done something similar...or maybe they've done the exact same thing you're contemplating. Worth a phone call.
With all due respect, something similar does not get you the correct lifter preload. I would hope that the outcome of a phone call to TSP would result in them telling the OP to measure because every setup is different.
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Old Nov 28, 2009 | 07:33 AM
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Although there is a little more room with ARF heads than stock, I milled mine
.020 off and have the 228R and have room to grow if I want.

Sometimes I think Ill pull the heads and milled them another .010 and port them, then I say, crap I have 450 RWHP and 1st and 2nd are useless on the street with the 3.90s
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Old Nov 28, 2009 | 10:42 AM
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Go with 241 heads, they are cheap, $200 on ebay and my first set up was a 232/238 600/600 109 LSA with 241 heads 59CC chambers and milled .030. Ran it until I found out the genius that put it together used the wrong lifters.

Disclaimer "I was deployed when this happened LOLOLOL"
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Old Nov 28, 2009 | 12:04 PM
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lol thanks guys sounds like ill be calling tsp then but yes they're ported the compression chambers 64cc exhaust 82cc and intake 213cc, i really dont want to have to buy another set of heads so it looks like a custom cam is in order.
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just out of curiosity how do you measure ptv clearence?
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Old Nov 28, 2009 | 01:42 PM
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hey 02*c5 is there a big difference between the 853 heads and 241's? cause i have .030 milled off the 853's and the cam im looking at is really close to the one you were running.
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hey 02*c5 is there a big difference between the 853 heads and 241's? cause i have .030 milled off the 853's and the cam im looking at is really close to the one you were running.
The 853s have a bigger chamber 69CC than the 66Cc chambers that the 241s have and parts numbers. Oh and the 853s went from perimeter bolts to center retainer bolts 241s. The only obvious difference is that you'll need to massage them a little more to get higher compression numbers if that's what you are after. I have never worked with 853s.

241 Stock Flow numbers.
Chamber 66.67 cc------0.100--0.200---0.300---0.400---0.500---0.550--0.600
Intake 200 cc------------67----122-----178-----215-----219-----223---227
Exhaust 70 cc------------52-----97-----133-----156-----170-----76----180

Those where the numbers for my 241s
.200-----.300-----.400 -----.500-----.600
144------204------243------284------302
109------142------177------205------217

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thanks for the info but with the center vs perimeter bolt patterns is that gonna cause any problems when i go to install these?
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Old Nov 28, 2009 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SUNSET Z28
thanks for the info but with the center vs perimeter bolt patterns is that gonna cause any problems when i go to install these?
Casting #806 '97-'98 perimeter bolt
Chambers = 69cc

853s are center bolt with 66.67cc chambers only difference between 853s and 241s are the methods in which they were cast.
If your car is an 02 (going by your sig) you should have 241s.
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You will have to change the valve cover
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Old Nov 28, 2009 | 06:51 PM
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sweet so i dont have to change the valve covers then switching from 241's to 853's? thanks for the help guys.
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