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Old Feb 6, 2010 | 12:00 PM
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What would be the best cometic head gasket to use for my boosted 5.3? I am using 317 heads on a 5.3 non-decked block: should I invest in the machine work for shaved heads and a decked block?
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Are the heads new? How many miles on the block? You could always go to a GM MLS gasket for the 6.0L.
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I'd go with a 5.3L MLS gasket with .051" thickness to give proper quench area if your running stock pistons with an undecked block.
Since your boosted I wouldn't mill the heads (unless they need trued up), but if you get the heads ported you PSI will drop, and at the same time make more power because of the increased flow
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I'd go with a 5.3L MLS gasket with .051" thickness to give proper quench area if your running stock pistons with an undecked block.
Since your boosted I wouldn't mill the heads (unless they need trued up), but if you get the heads ported you PSI will drop, and at the same time make more power because of the increased flow
A 5.3l gasket wont clear the 72cc combustion chamber in the 317 heads. You need to use a 6.0L gasket (.051 thick as well) or a cometic 4.030 bore. These are what I'm running on my ls1 with 317's http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=603&catid=36

Also is engine going to be street driven? If so I would shoot for 9.5:1 compression so getting the heads shaved a little bit is probly not going to matter much.
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Originally Posted by conan
Are the heads new? How many miles on the block? You could always go to a GM MLS gasket for the 6.0L.
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I'd go with a 5.3L MLS gasket with .051" thickness to give proper quench area if your running stock pistons with an undecked block.
Since your boosted I wouldn't mill the heads (unless they need trued up), but if you get the heads ported you PSI will drop, and at the same time make more power because of the increased flow
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A 5.3l gasket wont clear the 72cc combustion chamber in the 317 heads. You need to use a 6.0L gasket (.051 thick as well) or a cometic 4.030 bore. These are what I'm running on my ls1 with 317's http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=603&catid=36

Also is engine going to be street driven? If so I would shoot for 9.5:1 compression so getting the heads shaved a little bit is probly not going to matter much.

The heads have roughly 80K on them. I am going to have them checked once I receive them. the engine will be street driven as well, using all stock internals and the heads will be left stock as well. I dont plan on decking the block either.
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Originally Posted by conan
A 5.3l gasket wont clear the 72cc combustion chamber in the 317 heads. You need to use a 6.0L gasket (.051 thick as well) or a cometic 4.030 bore. These are what I'm running on my ls1 with 317's http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=603&catid=36

Also is engine going to be street driven? If so I would shoot for 9.5:1 compression so getting the heads shaved a little bit is probly not going to matter much.
I just bought my 6.0l .051 gaskets at the dealership for $104 for the pair

thanks for clearing up my mistake, didn't realize the clearance was that close on the valves
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So what would be better? An aftermarket cometic or would the OEM 6.0 MLS gasket be enough?
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Old Feb 9, 2010 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mark21742
I just bought my 6.0l .051 gaskets at the dealership for $104 for the pair

thanks for clearing up my mistake, didn't realize the clearance was that close on the valves

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So what would be better? An aftermarket cometic or would the OEM 6.0 MLS gasket be enough?
I would go with the GM MLS and have the heads milled. Do you know what the compression is going to be with untouched 317's (72cc) on the 5.3L ???
Also I would upgrade to dual valve springs, FI needs a stable valve train.
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A 5.3 engine with stock pistons, GM .051 gaskets, and 317 heads (72cc) will be somewhere around 9:1 CR.
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What does the bore size on the MLS gasket have to be?
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Originally Posted by Boost-box
What does the bore size on the MLS gasket have to be?
These are the 2 options for the 317 heads.
GM MLS http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=880&catid=36

Cometic MLS http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=603&catid=36
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To bring this thread back I have a question.


Just to be clear so I don't mess anything up.

I need 4.030 mls gaskets to run my 317 heads on my 5.3: correct?
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Originally Posted by conan
Yes... ^^^ These are 2 gasket options for the 72cc combustion chamber in the 317 heads. One is the GM 6.0L MLS gasket. The other is a 4.030 bore in the cometic MLS gasket.
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Old Apr 4, 2010 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by conan
Yes... ^^^ These are 2 gasket options for the 72cc combustion chamber in the 317 heads. One is the GM 6.0L MLS gasket. The other is a 4.030 bore in the cometic MLS gasket.
I did a search and stumbled on this thread. I'm just curious....I am running this combo as well. Why do you need a 4.030 bore in the cometic version thats intended for a 6.0? If the engine is not bored, shouldn't you be ok with a standard bore and not a .030 over bore?
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Another question...? I've seen mls head haskets get coated with some spray on crap (not sure what it was called) before they were installed. Do you guys recommend this on a LQ-9 build?
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Originally Posted by NightmareTA
I did a search and stumbled on this thread. I'm just curious....I am running this combo as well. Why do you need a 4.030 bore in the cometic version thats intended for a 6.0? If the engine is not bored, shouldn't you be ok with a standard bore and not a .030 over bore?
To match the chamber size of the heads that came off a 4.0" bore motor...

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Another question...? I've seen mls head haskets get coated with some spray on crap (not sure what it was called) before they were installed. Do you guys recommend this on a LQ-9 build?
Copper spray because some guys feel cometics need this to help seal better. IIRC Cometic requires an RA of 50 on the sealing surfaces....
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What's the RA on factory surfaces? I've got new LS3 heads and a 6.0 block that I don't intend to get resurfaced.
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Originally Posted by SOMbitch
To match the chamber size of the heads that came off a 4.0" bore motor...



Copper spray because some guys feel cometics need this to help seal better. IIRC Cometic requires an RA of 50 on the sealing surfaces....

What he said ^^^
I did not use copper spray on my cometics, just wiped the gaskets, heads and block deck with brake cleaner and bolted them on.
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Originally Posted by Jim85IROC
What's the RA on factory surfaces? I've got new LS3 heads and a 6.0 block that I don't intend to get resurfaced.
IDK what the factory RA is but I have seen plenty of people run out of the box heads with Cometics and no problems..... I wouldn't sweat it at all.
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