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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 12:30 PM
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I am getting an adjustable timing chain and would like to know if I should advance or retard the cam. What does each do for power or the power band?
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Advancing the cam lowers the power band, retarding the cam raises the power band
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 01:33 PM
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so would it benefit me to retard the timing since I have an heads/cam A4 with a pt4200 stall?
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 08:26 PM
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Not meant to hijack your thread, but I have the sam quesiton. I don't like taking my car in the higher RPM ranges, is it safe to advance the cam? Are there any other benefits or cons of this? Is it worth the time to do? Will it change the emmisions of the motor? Thanks.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 08:47 PM
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Just get a cam with +4 ground into it.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 08:53 PM
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so would it benefit me to retard the timing since I have an heads/cam A4 with a pt4200 stall?
What are the specs of the cam??? What are your shift points? If you have a 220/220 +4 then it may benefit you to retard the cam -2 to -4 but if you have a 230/230 +4 then I would leave it a lone. My cam is a 236/240 112LSA +4. I left it at that and I have a 4400 stall converter and shift at 6800rpm. A smaller cam will run out of steam at higher RPM's a bigger cam makes less hp in the lower rpms but makes more up top.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 09:12 PM
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Generally it only moves the power band 50 or so rpm per degree.
You should pick a cam in duration to do what you want, low end torque or top end.
Moving a cam one way or the other will hurt the opposite extreme.
I would say generally degree the cam in initially to specs on cam card.
Then you could opt to retard/advance the cam to customize your combo.
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I just got a TR224 114 cam with no advance or retard ground in that I know of. My timing set allows me to advance or retard the cam 2, 4, 6, or 8 degrees. I would love to more even more bottom end and don't mind losing some top end. Will advancing the cam provide any benefit or disadvantage. Will it effect emissions? Thanks!
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Dude you better not put that car back together after breaking a timing chain. You will be pulling it apart all over again. You need to pull those heads and have them inspected along with checking your pistons. Otherwise you'll probably just be setting yourself up to create more damage......JMO

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I just got a TR224 114 cam with no advance or retard ground in that I know of. My timing set allows me to advance or retard the cam 2, 4, 6, or 8 degrees. I would love to more even more bottom end and don't mind losing some top end. Will advancing the cam provide any benefit or disadvantage. Will it effect emissions? Thanks!
i believe TR uses 4* of advance. just look on your cam card, your ICL will tell you if there is any advance. if it says 110 ICL then you have 4* and 2* at 112 ICL
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They usually grind advance in to compensate for chain slack.
The only way to be sure it is installed strait-up is to degree the cam in.
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Old Dec 28, 2003 | 10:58 AM
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I have a 228/236 112 and it's +4 I would like very much to see how it runs at 0.
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Old Dec 28, 2003 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 2001 Pewter WS6
What are the specs of the cam??? What are your shift points? If you have a 220/220 +4 then it may benefit you to retard the cam -2 to -4 but if you have a 230/230 +4 then I would leave it a lone. My cam is a 236/240 112LSA +4. I left it at that and I have a 4400 stall converter and shift at 6800rpm. A smaller cam will run out of steam at higher RPM's a bigger cam makes less hp in the lower rpms but makes more up top.


My cam specs are 595/595 230/230 110+0...so advance,retard,or leave it alone?
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Originally Posted by Hugger SS
My cam specs are 595/595 230/230 110+0...so advance,retard,or leave it alone?
What RPM are you shifting at? I would say go +2 if you are shifting 6800 go +4 if you are shifting at 6400 - 6600
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Old Dec 29, 2003 | 11:22 PM
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So if I ran a TR230 or a TSP 232/228 in my car, and I wanted to shift around 6500 to 6600, how much advance would be best? I think the TR230 comes ground straight up, and Im not sure, but I think the TSP 232 cam comes ground with 2* advance ground in. I like the VE's of a cam about this size put in straight up, but Id like someone else's opinion. Thanks guys

Hey Hugger, did you have to flycut the pistons to help that cam clear the valves???
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 12:41 PM
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You have a 4200 stall. You want your cam advanced or retarded where peak torque (with converter locked) is 500 rpm above your stall speed. You will then shift 200-400 above peak hp. Finally, gear it so you are 200-400 rpm above peak hp at the lights in 3rd gear.

If you did not already have a stall speed set then a little different set of rules would apply.
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Old Dec 30, 2003 | 07:43 PM
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Hey Hugger, did you have to flycut the pistons to help that cam clear the valves???

Nope...went right in..even with milled 5.3s
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