Oil soaking lifters???
02-25-2010, 07:34 PM
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Well I know that covering metal to metal surfaces in oil will prevent abnormal wear which is common sense so I would assume that rule applies to this issue as well. My only question is if I will get an accurate reading with the lifters pumped up with oil if I soak them when using a pushrod length checker I don't want my fresh motor to run like shat and break a valvetrain part.
Sorry for hijacking the thread...
Sorry for hijacking the thread...
02-25-2010, 08:57 PM
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Before anyone posts up about things they don't know about.....if the lifters didn't have a slight amount of bleed off how do you think the valves would close completely at TDC. Think about before you post up any stupid crap about how lifters work.
If your lifters "PUMP UP" yer done...engine no longer will run because the valves will be open ALL the time.
I'm arguing about this but i can tell you i've got about 40 years engine experience.
All hydlr lifters have a certain amount of bleed down area bulit into them!
GET OVER IT ..its the space you use to adjust the preload...even if you preload the lifter lets say .100 the ENTIRE lifter preload area is reliefed on every stroke.
Lets say the design is .125 and you preload the lifters @ .100 the .025 is the area the that ALLOWS the valves to close at TDC.
I know most of you wouldn't understand it but i can't help that. GET OVER IT!
If you can't adjust lifters after soaking them and pumping ooil into them its because you got dirt inside the relief-bleed hole!
If your lifters "PUMP UP" yer done...engine no longer will run because the valves will be open ALL the time.
I'm arguing about this but i can tell you i've got about 40 years engine experience.
All hydlr lifters have a certain amount of bleed down area bulit into them!
GET OVER IT ..its the space you use to adjust the preload...even if you preload the lifter lets say .100 the ENTIRE lifter preload area is reliefed on every stroke.
Lets say the design is .125 and you preload the lifters @ .100 the .025 is the area the that ALLOWS the valves to close at TDC.
I know most of you wouldn't understand it but i can't help that. GET OVER IT!
If you can't adjust lifters after soaking them and pumping ooil into them its because you got dirt inside the relief-bleed hole!
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02-26-2010, 07:10 AM
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Before anyone posts up about things they don't know about.....if the lifters didn't have a slight amount of bleed off how do you think the valves would close completely at TDC. Think about before you post up any stupid crap about how lifters work.
If your lifters "PUMP UP" yer done...engine no longer will run because the valves will be open ALL the time.
I'm arguing about this but i can tell you i've got about 40 years engine experience.
All hydlr lifters have a certain amount of bleed down area bulit into them!
GET OVER IT ..its the space you use to adjust the preload...even if you preload the lifter lets say .100 the ENTIRE lifter preload area is reliefed on every stroke.
Lets say the design is .125 and you preload the lifters @ .100 the .025 is the area the that ALLOWS the valves to close at TDC.
I know most of you wouldn't understand it but i can't help that. GET OVER IT!
If you can't adjust lifters after soaking them and pumping ooil into them its because you got dirt inside the relief-bleed hole!
If your lifters "PUMP UP" yer done...engine no longer will run because the valves will be open ALL the time.
I'm arguing about this but i can tell you i've got about 40 years engine experience.
All hydlr lifters have a certain amount of bleed down area bulit into them!
GET OVER IT ..its the space you use to adjust the preload...even if you preload the lifter lets say .100 the ENTIRE lifter preload area is reliefed on every stroke.
Lets say the design is .125 and you preload the lifters @ .100 the .025 is the area the that ALLOWS the valves to close at TDC.
I know most of you wouldn't understand it but i can't help that. GET OVER IT!
If you can't adjust lifters after soaking them and pumping ooil into them its because you got dirt inside the relief-bleed hole!
02-26-2010, 07:50 AM
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Before anyone posts up about things they don't know about.....if the lifters didn't have a slight amount of bleed off how do you think the valves would close completely at TDC. Think about before you post up any stupid crap about how lifters work.
If your lifters "PUMP UP" yer done...engine no longer will run because the valves will be open ALL the time.
I'm arguing about this but i can tell you i've got about 40 years engine experience.
All hydlr lifters have a certain amount of bleed down area bulit into them!
GET OVER IT ..its the space you use to adjust the preload...even if you preload the lifter lets say .100 the ENTIRE lifter preload area is reliefed on every stroke.
Lets say the design is .125 and you preload the lifters @ .100 the .025 is the area the that ALLOWS the valves to close at TDC.
I know most of you wouldn't understand it but i can't help that. GET OVER IT!
If you can't adjust lifters after soaking them and pumping ooil into them its because you got dirt inside the relief-bleed hole!
If your lifters "PUMP UP" yer done...engine no longer will run because the valves will be open ALL the time.
I'm arguing about this but i can tell you i've got about 40 years engine experience.
All hydlr lifters have a certain amount of bleed down area bulit into them!
GET OVER IT ..its the space you use to adjust the preload...even if you preload the lifter lets say .100 the ENTIRE lifter preload area is reliefed on every stroke.
Lets say the design is .125 and you preload the lifters @ .100 the .025 is the area the that ALLOWS the valves to close at TDC.
I know most of you wouldn't understand it but i can't help that. GET OVER IT!
If you can't adjust lifters after soaking them and pumping ooil into them its because you got dirt inside the relief-bleed hole!
02-26-2010, 08:08 AM
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Soak them.. you aren't putting Oil in there under pressure, and while they are sitting in the Engine as you finish assembling it any extra Oil that is in them will ooze out due to gravity. It just so conviently happens to run all over the Cam and Crank while it's dribbling down too.
Like mentioned the best gain in this IMO is the fact that they are all covered in Oil and lubed internally & externally.
Like mentioned the best gain in this IMO is the fact that they are all covered in Oil and lubed internally & externally.
02-26-2010, 11:15 AM
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Soak them.. you aren't putting Oil in there under pressure, and while they are sitting in the Engine as you finish assembling it any extra Oil that is in them will ooze out due to gravity. It just so conviently happens to run all over the Cam and Crank while it's dribbling down too.
Like mentioned the best gain in this IMO is the fact that they are all covered in Oil and lubed internally & externally.
Like mentioned the best gain in this IMO is the fact that they are all covered in Oil and lubed internally & externally.
i find it hard to beleive that you still think Comp Cams and Crane Cams is wrong and your right.
02-26-2010, 11:26 AM
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This thread is getting old, really it is. The OP wanted to know about soaking lifters which most of us do for lubrication purposes. Crane cams indicates it only becomes an issue when you hand pump lifters with oil. As far as I can see none of us have claimed to do so. Laying lifters in an oil bath WILL NOT damage anything and is a good practice from a lubrication stand point.
If you dont believe in it cool. But it alone is never going to do any harm. Lets move on............ Or we could keep up the "my dick is bigger battle".
If you dont believe in it cool. But it alone is never going to do any harm. Lets move on............ Or we could keep up the "my dick is bigger battle".
02-26-2010, 12:00 PM
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This thread is getting old, really it is. The OP wanted to know about soaking lifters which most of us do for lubrication purposes. Crane cams indicates it only becomes an issue when you hand pump lifters with oil. As far as I can see none of us have claimed to do so. Laying lifters in an oil bath WILL NOT damage anything and is a good practice from a lubrication stand point.
If you dont believe in it cool. But it alone is never going to do any harm. Lets move on............ Or we could keep up the "my dick is bigger battle".
If you dont believe in it cool. But it alone is never going to do any harm. Lets move on............ Or we could keep up the "my dick is bigger battle".
Lets start some grade school subjects since were already here.
First off, who here has actually built multiple engines and soaked the lifters?
If not they need to be left out of this thread IMO.
02-26-2010, 01:50 PM
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I always soak them before install on solid or hyd. When I set pre load on the hyd cam engines on the stand, I have never had a problem and the engines seam to perform ok. I also pump up the engine with oil pressure for 30-40 minutes before it leaves for the car.
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