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Old 03-27-2010, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by slamminjim
I bet your engine is out of time. The grinding noise you heard was the cam hitting the valves. You need to check the timing. My bet is you have cute little eyebrows on your pistons now.
^ cam hitting the valves? are we forgetting about the lifters, pushrods and rockers?
Old 03-27-2010, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by silverbandit0996
^ cam hitting the valves? are we forgetting about the lifters, pushrods and rockers?
I agree, take the valve cover off, have a look, you did install new springs.
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Originally Posted by Intimidator02SS
Did you reinstall the camshaft retainer plate? Maybe the camshaft is floating to far forward causing the cam sensor to not read right, or your lifters are hitting 2 lobes versus 1??? Could explain the grinding sound from front of motor while cranking??
great point.
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It would have to come out pretty far for that to happen..I don't think the Chain would let it move out that far.
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Originally Posted by the_merv
It would have to come out pretty far for that to happen..I don't think the Chain would let it move out that far.
not to mention if it did come out that far, im sure you would have worse problems to deal with, like the cam slipping out of the bores....
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i would tear it back down and check everything so u can see whats going on and stop guessing good luck hope it a easy fix 4 u
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Originally Posted by bww3588
not to mention if it did come out that far, im sure you would have worse problems to deal with, like the *lifters slipping out of the bores....
cant go very far with a timing cover in front of it. i just cant remember what the cam position sensor reluctor looks like.
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Originally Posted by slamminjim
I bet your engine is out of time. The grinding noise you heard was the cam hitting the valves.
"Cam hitting the valves..."

Wow. Just wow. Ordinarily I'd come up with a funny way of correcting a post this bad.
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You've never heard of that?

It's similar to the Throttle Body not closing all the way cause it's getting hung up on the Flywheel.
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Or if you don't keep your headlight fluid reservoir filled that could short some of the wires on the distributor packs. Haha what a dunce. Good thing my car came stock with pushrods, rockers and lifters ahahaha
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Originally Posted by the_merv
You've never heard of that?

It's similar to the Throttle Body not closing all the way cause it's getting hung up on the Flywheel.
Throttle cable set too tight?
Old 03-28-2010, 06:23 PM
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alright. when i got the old cam out i did not know to line them up. Ls1howto left that out. The cam retainer plate IS on it. When i reassemled I had it lined up dot to dot. I just got it torn back down And it is about 2 or 3 teeth off. Its backfiring really bad out of the intake and the exhaust. Something else i just noticed now is that if you turn the motor by hand, at certain points it gets pretty damn hard to turn. So i see i kinda have a few arguments going on in the thread. Anybody wanna give me some agreeable ideas on where to go from here?





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Replace bent valves. J/K. hopefully. get a C5R chain. Goes on better-less slack. And if your valves did kiss the pistons. Well clean up the sharp edges-will about eliminate stress risers, and of course replace bad parts. Just preparing you for worst case scenario.
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i got a double roller on the way.
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Originally Posted by prjctSILVERKNIGHTy2k
i got a double roller on the way.
Bad idea. You'll have to pull the crank sprocket, add spacers behind the oil pump, just a big hassle.

Get an LS2 chain and be done with that part.

You probably bent valves spinning it w/ the timing off. Whip out your compression gauge and check each cylinder, find the ones making little or no compression, and hope they're all on the same head.

Welcome to the School of Hard Knocks. Some prefer reading a service manual, for reasons you'll encounter shortly.
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Originally Posted by prjctSILVERKNIGHTy2k
alright. when i got the old cam out i did not know to line them up. Ls1howto left that out.
And this makes no sense. Removing the old cam matters not a bit where it and the crank are.

Originally Posted by prjctSILVERKNIGHTy2k
When i reassemled I had it lined up dot to dot.
Were you eyeballing it, or did you use a steel straight-edge and physically verify from the centerline of the crank and cam?

Originally Posted by prjctSILVERKNIGHTy2k
I just got it torn back down And it is about 2 or 3 teeth off.
Either your chain allowed it to jump 2 or 3 teeth, or it wasn't aligned when you installed it...see above.
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Subscribing, installing a cam next week, want to see where this goes.
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Originally Posted by prjctSILVERKNIGHTy2k
When i reassemled I had it lined up dot to dot. I just got it torn back down And it is about 2 or 3 teeth off.
I really doubt this...belts can slip and jump...chains really can't...that "ton of slack" everyone things they see...it's not possible for it to jump on the cam or crank. It would need an order of magnitude more slack than that.

Do not go with a double roller...short of a compression check, I'd start ordering all the gaskets you need for a head swap, as well as lining up a machine shop to replace your valves and make sure your valve guides are ok. You probably also need new pushrods now, and lifters might not be a bad idea either (I wouldn't want to run them after having them bind as much as smashing a valve into a piston would do).

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STOP turning the motor over, get yourself a new chain, loosen all the rockers (so the vales are closed, dont wanna bend anything that isnt). tdc the engine, line it up CORRECTLY, re install the chain. turn the engine over by hand, see how it feels. should spin freely. if it does, proceed to do a do a compression check on all 8.
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pull the heads and check for bent valves.


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