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Old 05-13-2010, 12:43 PM
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bought a cam from thunder racing and was told not to wry... there was no need to degree it ......any opinions on this i believe them as they have helped me out and they r a very reputable company opinions appreciated
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Originally Posted by nostixs
bought a cam from thunder racing and was told not to wry... there was no need to degree it ......any opinions on this i believe them as they have helped me out and they r a very reputable company opinions appreciated
That's just retarded. You degree a cam to make sure it's installed where it needs to be. If you install the cam wrong (mistakes happen), or there was some machining error that slipped by QC at the manufacturer, you could destroy the entire engine.
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Originally Posted by nostixs
bought a cam from thunder racing and was told not to wry... there was no need to degree it ......any opinions on this i believe them as they have helped me out and they r a very reputable company opinions appreciated


Not 100% who you spoke with here, but I will give you my thoughts on that. If you are using a stock timing set, there is no real way to adjust the camshaft in the motor. What was probably told to you was that any advance that the camshaft has, is already ground into it. If you are using an adjustable timing set then I would actually recommend degreeing the camshaft in. That way you know that your ICL is 100% where it needs to be. If you have any questions, please contact me at the shop and I can definitely help you out.
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You should always degree your cam and check piston to valve clearence. Always better to be safe then sorry.
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Still worth the time to check it, even if you're running a stock or other non-adjustable timing set. That way you know if it is ground properly for one and secondly installed correctly!
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No one here would argue the benefits of degreeing your cam in. If you have the tools, knowlege and ability, by all means do it. What I will tell you is that 99% of customers do not and are not equipped to do this especially in the car. Use your own judgment and decide what is best for you.

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When I had my 228/232 put in almost 4 years ago it was installed dot to dot as I did not have an adjustable timing chain. I was terribly dissapointed with the torque after tuning. I bought an adjustable timing chain and had the cam degreed and DAMN what a diffference it made. If you want to see it on a graph scroll down to post #8 on this thread.

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I had a local shop just put mine in staright up dot to dot. When my engine blew, Then I took it to a new engine builder said that the cam was off by about 8 degrees. Which is about 8-12hp.
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stock ls1 cranks are not keyed for a snout socket.can I use a crank bolt and nuts to hold the degree wheel,and turn the crank using the flex plate bolts? the engine will be out the car.
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How much does it cost to degree a cam thats already in the car?
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Originally Posted by XtraCajunSS
No one here would argue the benefits of degreeing your cam in. If you have the tools, knowlege and ability, by all means do it. What I will tell you is that 99% of customers do not and are not equipped to do this especially in the car. Use your own judgment and decide what is best for you.

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thanks shane like i said u guys have been great i was just gettin opinions its already installed with oil pump and timing set at dot to dot i do have the resources and do have the knowledge to do so so i am gonna do it just to make sure it may be a couple of days but i will definatelly post my findings....thanks for all teh help and once again 100 % recommend thunder racing to anyone
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Originally Posted by garygnu
stock ls1 cranks are not keyed for a snout socket.can I use a crank bolt and nuts to hold the degree wheel,and turn the crank using the flex plate bolts? the engine will be out the car.
There are adapters that line up on the oil pump gear. If you use a crank bolt, really take the time to make sure the degree wheel is centered. I cut a bushing on the lathe to get mine centered.
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Originally Posted by PERFECT Z28
How much does it cost to degree a cam thats already in the car?
You can do it yourself for about $35.
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I thought the degreeing kit cost more than that?
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Originally Posted by PERFECT Z28
I thought the degreeing kit cost more than that?
For one of those big ones, yeah, but you have to use a small diameter wheel or else the front sway bar gets in the way. They're about $10-15. After you get checking springs, a piston stop, and a dial indicator with a magnetic base, you can spend as little as $35, but you can certainly spend more depending on the brands.
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Originally Posted by KCS
You can do it yourself for about $35.
You still have the labor to get to the cam don't you??? Unless of course your doing yourself.
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Originally Posted by KCS
You can do it yourself for about $35.
This is why it is highly recommended to degree the cam when it is installed. You can find TDC on an assembled engine with a piston stop, then check where the cam is installed. If you have to move it to get it right, you are looking at more labor - much more in a Corvette.



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