Heads/Cam vs Supercharger
This may be true but my point was, these after market head companies are in buisness for a reason. If you could match the performance of the after market heads with the stockers then I would believe that the after market companies would be out of buisness. Besides, port the TFS220 as cast heads and see what they can do. I would bet my paycheck that they would outflow your stock heads by a lot. Now the LS7, LS3 heads are a different story! lol
i know i'm just saying some places do a better job with porting heads than others so to say ALL 243 heads are out flown by a whole company isn't true. it's up to how much you want to spend . . . or course a LS3 block with LS3 heads done up by west racing cylinder head would be awesome and might just walk all over most heads out there for the LS engines
I agree with that! They are damn near making as much power with those stock heads and the after market companies make with there heads. Like I said before, the only upside to going with heads like I have is that I can run a bigger cam than you can run in a stock head. Bigger cam (in most cases) will yield more hp than the smaller one.
I agree with that! They are damn near making as much power with those stock heads and the after market companies make with there heads. Like I said before, the only upside to going with heads like I have is that I can run a bigger cam than you can run in a stock head. Bigger cam (in most cases) will yield more hp than the smaller one.
Yeah your right afrs and trickflow flow better than aftermarket companies that port stock heads but its not by much. PRC has heads that flow 312cfm and afrs flow about 320cfm. Yeah theirs a diffrence but for the money I would go with ls6 heads. Yes that is good about trickflow heads that you can run bigger cams but you also have to change rockers too. I would like to see the diffrence between heads (Prc 2.5 5.3 mil 59cc heads vs Trickflow heads) to see whats the diffrence In hp with same setup
I agree with that! They are damn near making as much power with those stock heads and the after market companies make with there heads. Like I said before, the only upside to going with heads like I have is that I can run a bigger cam than you can run in a stock head. Bigger cam (in most cases) will yield more hp than the smaller one.
Do you know how much rwhp trickflow says their heads will give you?? I know they say thats the best head you can get just want to see how much better than the rest
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How about this setup. Trickflow 215cc/64cc heads with a fast 102 with nw tb and fast toys 104 mm lid, kooks 1 7/8 with tsp true duals, and a LS1 custom grind, 235/240 .643"/.609" 111 LSA +1 cam. Oh yeah yella terra shaft mount roller rockers 1.7 and a a couple other things. Through an m6 any idea what kinda power this might make cause this is a setup im prolly doing in the next month or so??? I already got forged internals/ 12 bolt and have plans for a 150-200 wet shot in the future as well!!!
This may be true but my point was, these after market head companies are in buisness for a reason. If you could match the performance of the after market heads with the stockers then I would believe that the after market companies would be out of buisness. Besides, port the TFS220 as cast heads and see what they can do. I would bet my paycheck that they would outflow your stock heads by a lot. Now the LS7, LS3 heads are a different story! lol
To the other posts above.
Hell my little patriot stage 1 h/c setup was running down 450-550 rwhp cars like crazy, it made 439 rwhp/394 trq, but had a decent curve, and was geared right. rwhp is just a number, results at the track will vary.... I like N/a and when done right will have decent low end, and instant throttle response, even with a large ish cam. DCR is improtant, tuning is important, every detail is important. When you just pick brand x cam, brand y heads, brand z intake throw it all together and expect a killer setup, you get those "why does my h/c car make 395 rwhp, and run 12.50 @ 116.
Here is the calculator we used. Remember this is just a mathmatical calculator saying you need this much power to move this much mass, at this speed in 1320ft.
http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php
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Verdad Gallardo and i either suck when it comes to searching through someone's posts or you don't have pics up lol
it's a SS . . . red with black stripes is the best combo!!!!! i'm gonna look through your posts for pics of your car. mine has gone through a lot of changes since i bought her
and i either suck when it comes to searching through someone's posts or you don't have pics up lol
and i either suck when it comes to searching through someone's posts or you don't have pics up lol
You can match the performance or come damn close in a stock head, well 243's. AFR's are glorified 243's with a big price tag. There are 243's that laid down numbers a trickflow has yet to. Problem is cost. When you spend $3500-4000 for the best in the business to port those 243's vs trickflows the trick flows are cheaper...
To the other posts above.
Hell my little patriot stage 1 h/c setup was running down 450-550 rwhp cars like crazy, it made 439 rwhp/394 trq, but had a decent curve, and was geared right. rwhp is just a number, results at the track will vary.... I like N/a and when done right will have decent low end, and instant throttle response, even with a large ish cam. DCR is improtant, tuning is important, every detail is important. When you just pick brand x cam, brand y heads, brand z intake throw it all together and expect a killer setup, you get those "why does my h/c car make 395 rwhp, and run 12.50 @ 116.
To the other posts above.
Hell my little patriot stage 1 h/c setup was running down 450-550 rwhp cars like crazy, it made 439 rwhp/394 trq, but had a decent curve, and was geared right. rwhp is just a number, results at the track will vary.... I like N/a and when done right will have decent low end, and instant throttle response, even with a large ish cam. DCR is improtant, tuning is important, every detail is important. When you just pick brand x cam, brand y heads, brand z intake throw it all together and expect a killer setup, you get those "why does my h/c car make 395 rwhp, and run 12.50 @ 116.
My heads are holding me back big time. I think if I were to get some better heads it will wake it up. My friend wants to run me in his ta but he has a proven combo (prc 2.5 5.3 heads with 228r cam) full bolt ons like me. So he is always talking **** so I want to beat him but I know hes fast he put 432 rwhp down.
You can match the performance or come damn close in a stock head, well 243's. AFR's are glorified 243's with a big price tag. There are 243's that laid down numbers a trickflow has yet to. Problem is cost. When you spend $3500-4000 for the best in the business to port those 243's vs trickflows the trick flows are cheaper...
To the other posts above.
Hell my little patriot stage 1 h/c setup was running down 450-550 rwhp cars like crazy, it made 439 rwhp/394 trq, but had a decent curve, and was geared right. rwhp is just a number, results at the track will vary.... I like N/a and when done right will have decent low end, and instant throttle response, even with a large ish cam. DCR is improtant, tuning is important, every detail is important. When you just pick brand x cam, brand y heads, brand z intake throw it all together and expect a killer setup, you get those "why does my h/c car make 395 rwhp, and run 12.50 @ 116.
To the other posts above.
Hell my little patriot stage 1 h/c setup was running down 450-550 rwhp cars like crazy, it made 439 rwhp/394 trq, but had a decent curve, and was geared right. rwhp is just a number, results at the track will vary.... I like N/a and when done right will have decent low end, and instant throttle response, even with a large ish cam. DCR is improtant, tuning is important, every detail is important. When you just pick brand x cam, brand y heads, brand z intake throw it all together and expect a killer setup, you get those "why does my h/c car make 395 rwhp, and run 12.50 @ 116.
for those arguing, flow numbers don't mean power by themselves, there is more to a head than flow numbers, tfs and afr heads are way better for lots of reasons, not because they flow better. There are reasons why we make fun of flow bench racers.
So why??? So if I swap heads let say to afrs and get a fast will I see great improvement Or Night and day diffrence
I would say you would see a nice improvement in performance. What does your car do in the 1/4 mile? I've already told you what mine is doing. You tell me if you think it made a difference.