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Old 01-16-2004, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by marc_w
If I had to sum up the setup I'm after, I'd want a strong street/strip setup that can put down some good numbers, but still fall back on it's 'truck roots' if it has to.
I'd put in at least a TR220 114, maybe even the TR224 114. I have the TR224 114 in my Camaro, and I'm amazed at how well this cam works in the low rpms, and it goes without saying it screams at high rpm! Since you will never tow more than 5,000 lbs, you would have no problems with cams this size. Any bigger probably wouldn't be good for the towing, though.
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Originally Posted by Cal
I'd put in at least a TR220 114, maybe even the TR224 114....
And with 5400 pounds of truck lugging up the road in overdrive, you'd realize that you made a mistake.
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I wouldn't use overdrive for towing, but running empty or racing it would be OK. How much it gets lugged depends on the axle ratio also. In my trucks I've always had 4.10's or 3.73's.
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DG Gordon: ur friend has a 5.3, which uses a smaller cam than the 6.0... all 6.0's and '01-'02 F bodies use the same cam...
Old 01-16-2004, 09:33 PM
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Thanks again everyone.

I should restate that the truck spends a lot of time between 1,500 and 2,500, not like the 2-3K like I quoted.

Would it be fair to rate the cams as far as idle quality at A4 idle speeds:

"smoothest"
212/218 high lift
212/218 low lift
TR220
216/220
"lopiest"

Big Tex - you gotta be rolling your eyes at me by now... I think you've stumbled across ALL of the odd cam questions/threads I've been in. Just trying to make absolutely sure I get what I'm looking for... mods are few and far between for me.
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Yeah, I've seen you all over.

Don't go any higher than the TR220. Personally, I'd choose the 212/218 high lift 115. Best mix of power and drivablilty. It should get by with stock tuning. You'll be pleased with the results. You'll need custom tuning with the TR220 and spin it to the low/mid 6000s to take advantage of all its power.
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idle will depend on the LSA more, and all those r on a 114, except the LS6 replacement cam, which is a 115, which would be the smoothest... i still stand by my original cam, or something similar for that truck and ur needs...
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Total cam duration would be my main concern. The more duration the higher the powerband. Stock truck shift points are 5600 for 1-2, and 5200 for 2-3. You go with a big cam, you give up that really low power and move the power to an unusable rpm. Combining a lower total duration cam with a little higher LSA will assure you that it will work fine with stock tuning and keep more low end. Yet picking one with higher lift will allow you to gain more power without moving the powerband higher.

I'm running a 114lsa right now, but if I change cams, it will be to a traditional split on a 116.
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Originally Posted by marc_w
Thanks again everyone.

I should restate that the truck spends a lot of time between 1,500 and 2,500, not like the 2-3K like I quoted.

Would it be fair to rate the cams as far as idle quality at A4 idle speeds:

"smoothest"
212/218 high lift
212/218 low lift
TR220
216/220
"lopiest"

Big Tex - you gotta be rolling your eyes at me by now... I think you've stumbled across ALL of the odd cam questions/threads I've been in. Just trying to make absolutely sure I get what I'm looking for... mods are few and far between for me.
Idle quality is based on intake/exhaust overlap. This overlap is a product of cam duration, lobe separation angle, and ramp design. It is not related to cam lift. Sometimes cam B with a longer duration than cam A will actually idle better because of steeper lobe ramps that reduce overlap. How well your engine idles with an aftermarket cam also has a lot to do with the PCM tuning. While it may be quite rough with the stock tune, a custom tune could totally change that. BTW, many people run the TR220 with stock tuning and no problems, this is really a mild cam but produces very good power for it's size due to a fast ramp design.
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Originally Posted by equandt
I think a good choice would be the 212/218 115 LS6 replacement cam. In a truck, I would think you would want low end torque. The 212/218 cam should give you that. The benefit of the LS6 replacement cam is that it has some good lift so you'll grab some top end HP as well.
I have the TR 220 in a 2001 Vette with other bolt ons and stock Z06 heads, it will pull out smooth and strong from 1000 rpm going uphill in 6th gear. So I think you should go with it, Great steet cam!
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Allrighty, I think I've got enough info here to keep me busy for a while... Thanks for everyones time.

I'll be sure to post back with what I go with, and how it turns out. (It'll be early spring)
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Hi,

for me I am talking about my experince with 212/218 cam ...... it was a great cam , idle like stock and with m6 I got 11.61 @ + 120 mph

Good luck
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Originally Posted by Cal
marc, the best thing you can do is take a very honest look at what you're going to be using the truck for, and how you like to operate the engine. Do you like to rev it or lug it? If you're going to be racing other trucks or doing sand dunes, put in the TR220 or even a TR224. If you're going to using it as a tow vehicle, leave the stock cam in there. Keep in mind even your stock cam is no slouch; it's the same as the stock fbody cam. Those other smaller cams aren't enough different from stock to be worth all the effort of a cam install IMO. Just an oppinion though from someone that has a tow vehicle and a racing vehicle and has installed cams.
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Originally Posted by CroweVille
hey bro how can i ahold of you for sum questions if its cool text me at 3613551810
You likely won't. He hasn't been here for over a year.
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
You likely won't. He hasn't been here for over a year.
Do you have extensive knowledge as well?
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Originally Posted by CroweVille
Do you have extensive knowledge as well?
Best way to get the right cam: Call or email a cam manufacturer like Comp, Crane, BTR, or others. They have dynos, street test mules, and everything we don't have.
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Originally Posted by CroweVille
Do you have extensive knowledge as well?
What do you need to know?
Kawboom pretty well has the right answer above,



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