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Old 10-10-2010, 11:38 AM
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Ok everyone here is my build.... Recently dropped a valve basically tanked the motor shot a cap through the oil pan all that good stuff...... so im in college but i wana build it up good so I made a list of what I want to do I want to see what you all think and comments

The car had.... 99 Camaro z28
Ported stock heads.
1.8 rockers
springs
ls6 cam
ls6 intake
lid
underdrive pulley
4400 stall
stage 5 rpm trans
full qa1 suspension


Here is what I wana do

Forged iron assemble from Schwanke Short blocks
ported 241 heads.... or 243 heads
Cam and valve package from comp cams..... possible ms3
double roller chain
1.7 rockers
all parts from current motor like intake and such


what does everyone think on this? hopefully input soon and some advice.... funds are somewhat limited and hoping to order soon

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any opinons anything?
Old 10-11-2010, 11:23 AM
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Well it would help if you told them what your goals/ budget were for the build. Total cost and whp n/a or on spray. And specifics on what you'd like help with for example is that cam good for? And what about a fuel system? Your motor is going to be specific so you need to be too.
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Originally Posted by shibby50
Well it would help if you told them what your goals/ budget were for the build. Total cost and whp n/a or on spray. And specifics on what you'd like help with for example is that cam good for? And what about a fuel system? Your motor is going to be specific so you need to be too.

Same fuel system thats on the car now. Stock fuel rails.... unless i deem it necesary to upgrade after talking to texas speed. Goal is low to mid 400 hp. I was looking at the MS3 cam package just not sure what lsa to go with. No spray
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Seems like a lot of stall for a small cam. I would think you would be able to run a full out race cam with that in there.

If you are going to keep the smaller cams, why not put a 3000~3500 stall in? Wouldn't that make it better for driving?
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I didn't think the ms3 was that small of a cam or am I wrong? I would like it but I don't want it super loapy really. What should I do or what might be a good cam choice ?
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Also yes this stall is big to drive round school but I also didn't want to lose this cars ability to launch as hard as it does. Cuts a 1.5 to 1.45 60 ft with wheels up a bit. How different would 3500 be?
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The MS3 is a pretty serious camshaft, IMO.

And a 4000 stall is a little much for a street car, especially a DD.

If you get the compression around 11:1, use some good 243 heads, you could probably get away with running a 228R camshaft or similar and get 400RWHP. To get more power, step up the cam a little bit.

An MS3 and a 4000 stall on the street is going to be a DOG on the street in the lower RPM's without some 3.73 gears at least in it...again, my opinion.

I cant stress this enough, when doing an engine like this, its the combination that counts.
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Originally Posted by 11seccamaro
Also yes this stall is big to drive round school but I also didn't want to lose this cars ability to launch as hard as it does. Cuts a 1.5 to 1.45 60 ft with wheels up a bit. How different would 3500 be?
If you are already running the 4400 stall with an LS6 cam, I would not suggest you go to a lower stall with the MS3. Run that stall for now, save a few bucks on the swap, and decide later if less stall is going to work with the MS3. That cam needs a good stall, so why get rid of one that you already like?
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Originally Posted by TooLateVTEC
The MS3 is a pretty serious camshaft, IMO.

And a 4000 stall is a little much for a street car, especially a DD.

If you get the compression around 11:1, use some good 243 heads, you could probably get away with running a 228R camshaft or similar and get 400RWHP. To get more power, step up the cam a little bit.

An MS3 and a 4000 stall on the street is going to be a DOG on the street in the lower RPM's without some 3.73 gears at least in it...again, my opinion.

I cant stress this enough, when doing an engine like this, its the combination that counts.


I did forget to mention the car has a 3.73 gear in the back. Full suspension and all that jazz. The car really doesnt race on the street..... with the previous set up only drag radials can hold the power. I have 315 tires on zo6 wheels and its spins till 60 with ease and then still skips a little till 80. so not really a street race car without slicks and skinnies
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Originally Posted by Schwanke Engines
Seems like a lot of stall for a small cam. I would think you would be able to run a full out race cam with that in there.

If you are going to keep the smaller cams, why not put a 3000~3500 stall in? Wouldn't that make it better for driving?
I can appreciate the slightly old school mentality, but seriously. What he is talking about is going to be a ******* DOG under 4k. If he goes to a smaller converter he will get yanked by smaller camm'd cars from low speeds.

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The MS3 is a pretty serious camshaft, IMO.

And a 4000 stall is a little much for a street car, especially a DD.

No it isn't

An MS3 and a 4000 stall on the street is going to be a DOG on the street in the lower RPM's without some 3.73 gears at least in it...again, my opinion.
You really dont know what you're talking about do you?
I cant stress this enough, when doing an engine like this, its the combination that counts.
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I would like the car to be as fast or faster than it is now. Before it ran 11.8 - low 11s depending on day and wind
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The MS3 and a 4k+ stall is gonna be a nasty combo
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
The MS3 and a 4k+ stall is gonna be a nasty combo
what kind of times u think i should see out of this build and power?
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you will need bigger injectors.consider contacting Patrick-G for a custom cam, $25 more then a self cam.do you have have a 6 pt rollbar?
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Originally Posted by 11seccamaro
what kind of times u think i should see out of this build and power?
If you run a set of CNC'd heads, I think the car should dyno in the low 4xx. Remember autos aren't dyno queens. If it hooks good at the track I don't see why low 11s isn't possible.
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So the concensis is it's a good looking build?
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Originally Posted by 11seccamaro
So the concensis is it's a good looking build?
Why not step up to a 408 shortblock for $4000 and just throw on some stock 243's that are around $400 for the time being with a low 240 range cam. You'd have to upgrade your fuel system but that should only run $500 for injectors and a racetronix kit. Then when you are ready for more power just throw some high dollar heads and a fast on there.
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Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
I can appreciate the slightly old school mentality, but seriously. What he is talking about is going to be a ******* DOG under 4k. If he goes to a smaller converter he will get yanked by smaller camm'd cars from low speeds.



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