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TSP 228R sound about right?
TSP 228R sound about right? So I've been doing some looking around and research for my cam swap and have just about settled on the 228R. Does this sound right?
Car-
-1998 Camaro Z28 M6 w/ 94k mi and my DD
-cat-back performance exhaust (I would say brand but it was too long ago to remember..lol)
-SLP Flowpac (lid, bellow, metal ducting)
-Stock internals
Some background... the main reason I am doing this is I've got a broke lifter and might as well go to a better cam if i was planning to anyways after I had gotten the other essential bolt-ons(LTs, ORY, cutout, intake, tb)...
Also, since I know someone will just say 'call TSP', I expect to be calling TSP very soon to hopefully get the ball rolling and be done before winter break is over, but I wanted to see what others said to get some idiot questions out of the way first.
Questions-
The obvious, will this cam work fine with what I have? (I was also considering a 224/224, but did not want the dreaded 'i should have gone bigger...' syndrome)
What LSA do you think would be appropriate?
Will this run 'ok' on stock tuning, atleast for awhile until I have the money for a tune?
Will a mail-order tune be sufficient since this is not a huge cam and no FI?
I've heard rod bolts on my engine need to be replaced to run it into it's range, but that is also not in the budget, should I be fine just keeping it under 4-5k rpm until I have those as well?
Car-
-1998 Camaro Z28 M6 w/ 94k mi and my DD
-cat-back performance exhaust (I would say brand but it was too long ago to remember..lol)
-SLP Flowpac (lid, bellow, metal ducting)
-Stock internals
Some background... the main reason I am doing this is I've got a broke lifter and might as well go to a better cam if i was planning to anyways after I had gotten the other essential bolt-ons(LTs, ORY, cutout, intake, tb)...
Also, since I know someone will just say 'call TSP', I expect to be calling TSP very soon to hopefully get the ball rolling and be done before winter break is over, but I wanted to see what others said to get some idiot questions out of the way first.
Questions-
The obvious, will this cam work fine with what I have? (I was also considering a 224/224, but did not want the dreaded 'i should have gone bigger...' syndrome)
What LSA do you think would be appropriate?
Will this run 'ok' on stock tuning, atleast for awhile until I have the money for a tune?
Will a mail-order tune be sufficient since this is not a huge cam and no FI?
I've heard rod bolts on my engine need to be replaced to run it into it's range, but that is also not in the budget, should I be fine just keeping it under 4-5k rpm until I have those as well?
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Also look into the TR230, or possibly a Cam Motion grind of similar size.
Something like this:
C33-769 LS Hydraulic Roller Camshaft; 224'/228', .578"/.578", 113'+4'; 1,900 to 5,900 RPM
Or:
C33-712 LS Hydraulic Roller Camshaft; 228'/232', .578"/.578", 114'+4'; 2,200 to 6,200 RPM
Something like this:
C33-769 LS Hydraulic Roller Camshaft; 224'/228', .578"/.578", 113'+4'; 1,900 to 5,900 RPM
Or:
C33-712 LS Hydraulic Roller Camshaft; 228'/232', .578"/.578", 114'+4'; 2,200 to 6,200 RPM
i have the 228r on a 112 and im VERY satisfied with it. i dynoed 352 rwhp and 349 rwtq at tsp with stock 806 heads, stock ls1 intake, and stock injectors. i thought that was very good for everything else being stock. this is my dd and drive it 430 miles to college and go to the track and shift it at 6500 rpms with the stock short block. its just a very good all around cam. i also have 4.10 gears
i just upgraded from the 228r 114lsa. i made 410rwhp with 706 heads, fast intake/ tb. and full exhaust.
i like my torquer 2 much better, both these cams def require a tune. if you do settle on the 228 go for the 112. i didnt care for the smoother idle of the 114.
i like my torquer 2 much better, both these cams def require a tune. if you do settle on the 228 go for the 112. i didnt care for the smoother idle of the 114.
It is a very nice cam for a good street/stip car. It has a nice aggressive sounding idle without going to big and killing all the bottom-end. Also, with a good tune, it's not so big that you run into a lot of driveability issued at lower RPM's. For a street car, it is one of my favorites. I would go ahead and get it one the 112 LSA to help bring it in a little sooner. It will also make it hit a little harder at idle without being so aggressive that the '98 computer has trouble with it.
The only thing I would recommend you trying to get done first or along with the cam is a set of longtube headers. You can pick up a set of LT's pretty cheap. They are a good idea to get done so the stock manifolds become a restriction with the camshaft. You can get a set of coated headers for $370 or a set of painted black headers for $270.
Let us know if you have any other questions!
Jon
The only thing I would recommend you trying to get done first or along with the cam is a set of longtube headers. You can pick up a set of LT's pretty cheap. They are a good idea to get done so the stock manifolds become a restriction with the camshaft. You can get a set of coated headers for $370 or a set of painted black headers for $270.
Let us know if you have any other questions!
Jon
When I was cam shopping I nearly went with the 228r, but opted for the Torquer v2 instead. NOT that I am recommending it, but I drove for 4+ months and about 2,000 miles on the stock tune with that cam. I shouldn't have, but I ran out of money, yet there were no repercussions fortunately. At least get a mail order tune for now.
LS6 Intake An LS6 intake would help. I have one in the classifieds. Though might not be in ur budget.
Also check out Spartan 228/232 thread Cam only 241 heads with LS6 intake netting over 430rwhp.
Also check out Spartan 228/232 thread Cam only 241 heads with LS6 intake netting over 430rwhp.
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Verdad Gallardo Thanks for all the replies, now I have a few more questions!
- It seems I may have room in my budget for headers or a mail-order tune, but probably not both, which is more important? (unless I buy used intake is too pricey, but I don't think its as important as the two before, correct me if I'm wrong though)
- IF I were to get headers (probably the painted PS LTs), how much easier would they be to install with the heads etc taken off during the lifter/cam swap? I was just reading a few things about header installs and they seemed like a PITA sometimes...
- It seems I may have room in my budget for headers or a mail-order tune, but probably not both, which is more important? (unless I buy used intake is too pricey, but I don't think its as important as the two before, correct me if I'm wrong though)
- IF I were to get headers (probably the painted PS LTs), how much easier would they be to install with the heads etc taken off during the lifter/cam swap? I was just reading a few things about header installs and they seemed like a PITA sometimes...
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The car wont really drive with this cam. I just put it in my auto SS. Took almost 5 or 6 starting cycles to get it to idle on its own in closed loop and it dies when u turn the wheel or coming to a stop. so be ready for that. Im trailering it to get it dyno tuned.
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Computer will relearn idle after a while but you may have to 2 foot it at stops to keep it from dying. Remember a manual has a higher idle then an auto so less worry about that. It'll drive fine but you still need a tune.
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So just giving my 2 cents to help you from bad things. Drive it round the block to make sure ur ok and nothing falls off haha but then park it or take it for a tune.
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also with that high of mileage id recommend doing a new timing set, double roller or LS2. maybe a new oil pump? I did the ported one because I was in there already but not necessary. hardend push rods and LS7 lifters to, along with new springs but those will come in the cam kit
also with that high of mileage id recommend doing a new timing set, double roller or LS2. maybe a new oil pump? I did the ported one because I was in there already but not necessary. hardend push rods and LS7 lifters to, along with new springs but those will come in the cam kit
EDIT- oh and new lifter trays, gaskets, etc
Yeah, I initially started pricing them all together from one place and it looked as if it was gonna be $130 (not ARP either) 
Then I found them for a much more reasonable $45
I wish, but I'm pushing my budget as it is...
Then I found them for a much more reasonable $45
I wish, but I'm pushing my budget as it is...
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Recently ordered the parts, and you'd be interested to know that ^^that^^ is just about exactly what I ordered: cam package, ls2 chain, ported oil pump (at the recommendation of TSP, but not mainly due to mileage but due to the sometimes lowered oil pressure after cam-swaps), ls7 lifters, and PS LTs
EDIT- oh and new lifter trays, gaskets, etc
EDIT- oh and new lifter trays, gaskets, etc
also i got new lifter trays from them to..... dont be surprised when its like ******* a virgin compared to a loose fat girl when sliding on to the lifter hahah