Originally Posted by sbrown99TA

This whole thing is just a bunch of ****. You want a reliable car, DON'T MODIFY IT. You modify, to take risks, PERIOD. You put an ATI supercharger on your car and blow a hole in a piston. ATI's fault? Nope, you bought it and put it on. You buy Patriot heads and they drop a seat and wreck your motor? Patriots fault. Nope. You bought the heads. You should have ported them your damn self if you wanted "perfect" heads. If they INTENTIONALLY sent out defective heads, by all means, run them over the coals, shut them down. This is obviously not the case since they will warranty the heads, you know they're not warranty'ing them to make MORE money, they do it to satisfy the customer. Buy a set of custom JE pistons and have one come apart and wreck your engine, then call JE and tell them you want a new motor. Yeah right. I had an entire engine DESTROYED by a spark plug that exploded. So, I'm writing NGK a letter asking them for $11,000.

It's called racing boys, you got to pay to play. Some win, some lose. When your next valve spring breaks, bends a valve, and cracks a piston, go ahead and give Comp or Crane a call and tell them you want a new engine. Hold the phone away from your ear though, as the laughter from the other end may hurt your ear drum.

Originally Posted by mike m

If you read the last statement from the poor guy he said he is taking the heads to some shops to get other opinions.

Originally Posted by Tally TransAm

everyone wants hand outs and to put the blame on someone else and it is rediculous

terry is one of the best people to deal with on this board, and has helped my out on more than one occassion when he didnt have to. im sure he will do the same for this person if it is in his power to do so

Originally Posted by Cammin BeaSSt

Hell, I would be glad to take that bet. I have already flowed the PP LS6 head against the TEA 5.3 side by side and the TEA kicked the PPs *** by 12 cfm @ .600 lift....


Disclaimer: Not bashing, I have flow data to back my claims and I was just offering something to this guys challenge....

Originally Posted by 99 Black Bird T/A

Are you really willing to put up to $4000 on those PP LS6 style heads? Seems like you'd have bought better heads in the first place if you have that kind of money to throw around. At least one sponsor this board has REAL LS6 heads that have gone 340+

Where are you located?

Maybe we can get together and do some flow testing. Flow testing with the LS6 intake in place should be fun. I'd like to see what a set of PP LS6 style heads flow on the bench I have my stuff tested on.

PM if you want to see if we can work something out.

Originally Posted by Hannibal

But based on previous posts/experiences/discussions with others - something quite fishy is radiating out of Alabama.

Originally Posted by J-Rod

Warranty is in line with what I have seen other places.

With all the bandwagoning and cheap shot made by cheerleaders for certain shops I refuse to accept any of this as more than hearsay until something a bit more substantive than a thread by a mystery poster which dissappears all of the sudden. If this guy wants to talk to someone get on the phone with Terry. If you get no where then post up.

This whole lynch mob mentality has gotten more than a bit grating on the nerves. I love the self depreciating posts "I'm only trying to help you guys out". C'mon guys do you really think everyone is that stupid? You motives here are quite transparent.

Go grind your Patriot axe elsewhere. If there is factual information, or someone who can really step up and show an issue then let him step forward. Otherwise the witch hunt is getting old...

Originally Posted by Hannibal

I dont think people want hand outs. If you trust a company well enough to spend a couple thousand dollars with them - you ought to be able to have some faith in their product. And when their product fails due to inferior parts/poor workmanship, etc - the company should be held liable.

Originally Posted by Hannibal

And while damage is always a possibility when modifying your car - lowballing quality control in order to lower costs is unfair to the consumer especially when parts fail leading to SIGNIFICANT damage. And when you know parts arent up to par or you are R&D'ing them on cars and they fail - the company SHOULD be resposible. Its called being negligent. In some cases it can be criminal. When you knowingly due something to put someone/something at risk - its plain and simple negligence.

Originally Posted by Hannibal

As far as I know - no one KNOWS what happened in this situation.

Originally Posted by Chris ARE 360

PP HAS warranty for the products purchased. Most race products have NO warranty PERIOD



What proof do you have of this lowballing of quality control? Have you ever inspected a set of PP heads firsthand?


EXACTLY You do not know the situation. The affected party should contact the VENDOR and deal with the warranty on the heads with the VENDOR.

PP has NO obligation to replace that motor whatsoever. Furthermore if someone else took apart those heads their is no obligation on Patriots part for even the heads.

Chris

Originally Posted by SouthFL.02.SS

But, the manner in which post after post has manifested itself here by a certain "camp" of members whose bias is, lets say, NOT favorable towards Patriot is inexcusable.

One thing is to discruss and bring to light technical problems. Another is to drag a Sponsor's reputation through the mud by posting someone's 1/2 brother's cousin's mishap with said product.

Originally Posted by foff667

i know hannibal had a set of pp heads and was dissatisfied...i think he ended up returning them for one reason or a nother and terry gave him a set of stockers in return so im sure hes looked them over first hand not sure other than that