Originally Posted by foff667

I have to admit the new pricing between the absolutes and AP are hard to beat...even by patriot...and compare the flow #'s put up by both sponsors patriot has a higher peak # but kills patriot everywhere under peak...off hand i dont know AS #'s but they are probably as good if not better than AP's...everyones stages offer different things...do research and pick whats best.

Originally Posted by gomer

I think I remember one of the guys from TSP posting that they had sold over 200 sets. Terry told me on the phone that there is over 100 sets of LS6 style out there.

Just think how many will be out there this time next year, since summit is going to start selling them this spring

Originally Posted by Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

The 224/224 grind will work very well with the Patriot Performance cylinder heads. This was the first camshaft that we tried in my '02 SS A4, and it worked very well! I ran a best of 11.63 @ 114 MPH on a 1.58 60' with the 224R and stock cylinder heads. It has a nice idle that isn't too aggressive and has GREAT streetability characteristics.

As for Patriot's 5.3L vs. LS6-style stage II cylinder heads, they both work well on stock-cid setups. The 5.3L stage II heads are certainly hard to beat for the price! The LS6-style heads will help those that are looking to get every last ounce of horsepower and torque out of their setup, they'll be able to run 11:1 CR without reducing piston-to-valve clearance (i.e. not having to shave them for the added compression), and they'll give you plenty of growing room if you decide to go with a larger-cid setup in the future. If you plan to stay with the stock-cid engine and are looking to run a cam like the 224R, then the stage II 5.3L Patriot heads will work great. We've put down 440 RWHP with them! We have sold a LOT of Patriot's cylinder heads and have a lot of first-hand knowledge of what's working well with them. We've also seen results of the 5.3L heads vs. the LS6-style heads on a stock-cid LS1. The peak numbers were only up 5 RWHP, but the mid-range HP and TQ were up by 10 throughout the mid-range! There's more to it than just one number at one RPM point. The LS6-style cylinder heads are going to give you some added area under the curve and higher average power. This should interest you just as much as peak numbers because you'll spend a lot more time on the street in the mid-range than you will at 6500 RPM or wherever your setup makes peak HP.

FYI, Terry is not the owner of Patriot Performance. He is the project manager of Patriot, though, and he's the one that you would need to talk to if you had any technical questions.

Feel free to give us a call if you have any questions. We have some great package prices on the heads/cam packages.

Trevor
Texas Speed & Performance