Torquer v3 vs. EPS
Torquer v3 vs. EPS I've been reading a lot about the torquer's wide power band however there's been a lot of discussion about the wide powerband that the eps cams have. Which would be better on a DD?
m6 formula with ls6 intake, LT, dumped duals, stock heads
m6 formula with ls6 intake, LT, dumped duals, stock heads
What are the specs of the EPS cam you're considering? You've basically asked us if it'd be better to buy a 4th Gen F-body (2002 Camaro, red, 6 speed manual, leather seats, and all the bolt-ons) or a GM car (unknown details).
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Well im not too sure because it seems many people have a custom eps set up. 226/230 seems popular? I've just been reading that people have been getting good numbers with lower duration eps cams.
In my opinion, you can join everyone and their mother's cousin in the circle jerk and get an EPS cam, or you can go with the Torquer V3 or have some other vendor grind you a custom cam. I'm sure Texas Speed would be more than willing to grind you a cam based on your goals and current setup.
In my opinion, you can join everyone and their mother's cousin in the circle jerk and get an EPS cam, or you can go with the Torquer V3 or have some other vendor grind you a custom cam. I'm sure Texas Speed would be more than willing to grind you a cam based on your goals and current setup.
OP, a 222/224 or a 226/230 EPS cam will work good for a DD. The Torquer 2 or 3 would work as well. My friend just did the Torquer 3 and it has good street manors. You can't go wrong either way. Of course my vote goes towards the EPS cams being I have one, have felt the power it makes all across the board and being Geoff and Patrick G were some of the best guys to deal with.
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gotta compare apples to apples 226/230 compared to over 230s duration is not gonna fly. Given the same set up the bigger cam will make more power... try the 226/230 vs 228r that would b a good fight...
That's why I'm asking. There's people running 226/230 with EPS lobes putting down the same rwhp as people with torquer. I've been wanting a torquer for a while but i've seen a lot of dyno numbers that are making me second guess my decision.
Dyno #s shouldnt be viewed as anything more then a tuning tool. They will vary dyno to dyno. Im not favoring anyone just letting you know #s arent everything.
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FWIW I put the Torquer 3 in my wife's TA. Had a gain of 50 rwhp (319 - 369 mustang dyno) on a rough tune with a 12.5 afr across the board and fairly conservative timing. First cammed car I have dealt with and tuned myself so was playing it safe. After the summer of tweaks over the three weeks and the added 243 heads I expect to see 400 at least in a couple months when I do another pull. Torque and HP started out about 10 or so on top of the stock curve and pulled progressively from there and really started to pick up around 3300 or so and flat lined around 6600 or so until we stopped the pull.
Definitely consider investing in a Fast or something in the future though, around 5800 RPM's or so from looking over my scans it starts to get choked out and needs some more air. Only thing on the car is LTs/Lid/cam at time of pull.
Like mentioned though, numbers are all relative. Best to do a before and after if possible to see where gains are at. Unless you compare numbers on similar or same days on the same dyno, take everyone else's numbers with a grain of salt. I could have gone to two other dynos in town the same day I did the cam pull and pulled low 400's on one and mid 400's on another.
Definitely consider investing in a Fast or something in the future though, around 5800 RPM's or so from looking over my scans it starts to get choked out and needs some more air. Only thing on the car is LTs/Lid/cam at time of pull.
Like mentioned though, numbers are all relative. Best to do a before and after if possible to see where gains are at. Unless you compare numbers on similar or same days on the same dyno, take everyone else's numbers with a grain of salt. I could have gone to two other dynos in town the same day I did the cam pull and pulled low 400's on one and mid 400's on another.
Do you want a noisy valvetrain or quiet(like stock)? If your choice is quiet then get a eps lobed grind! Thats what I like the most about those cams, plus they are making great power with low duration.
#s we have all seen the tv2 and tv3 put more then 400 to the ground cam only... and yet some don't make it to what others have done with a 224 cam around 380s... there is more then # tunning issues, engine condition etc also play a big role
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I have way more aggressive lobes in my car then EPS runs and my valvetrain is silent. Your logic doesnt work.
I've just hit 100,000 miles. Do I have anything to worry about as far as high lift is concerned? Should I be looking at the torquer v2 instead? People have been saying that the EPS lobes will put less stress on the engine. Is there any truth behind this?
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Most of the moving parts in your valvetrain will be replaced with the cam, assuming your doing it the right way....FWIW, theres 140,000+ guys on here that are cammed so.........take it as you will.....