I would love to have that kind of power! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

But those number are weak <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> compared to the cam only car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bad02WS6:
<strong> I would love to have that kind of power! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

But those number are weak <img border="0" alt="[boring]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_zzz.gif" /> compared to the cam only car <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Be happy you have an 02 WS6.. I've noticed that they (01-02's) seem to be overachievers! I wonder about whether the 01 & 02 F-Bodys getting any different components (other than the intake) that make them fast (12.9's bone stock) and dyno ~5% higher than 1998-2000's. Perhaps GM's attempt to rectify piston slap or PCM upgrades make a noticable difference than previous years.

 

So then its your ordinary aftermarket cam with an exellent exhaust setup. Yay.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by thechef:
<strong> bills car the one that made 430 w/ open cut out and 419 w/closed has the stepped headers and merge collectors and a custom y pipe with a merge collector in it also it is a awesome set up that not many have tried/know about bill works with circle and nascar type racing teams and uesed the technology and r&d from those cars and made it work in his and it really does work

it is a set up that really makes power over other header set ups <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
i wish i knew about this header and merge collector set up before i got my SLP set up <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Maybe Eastside should start selling the exhaust if it works that good. Hp is hp and it would be cheaper and easier than heads.

 

My how the times have changed! I wish yall would have spoken up about the exhaust. I want pics! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by thechef:
<strong> bills car the one that made 430 w/ open cut out and 419 w/closed has the stepped headers and merge collectors and a custom y pipe with a merge collector in it also it is a awesome set up that not many have tried/know about bill works with circle and nascar type racing teams and uesed the technology and r&d from those cars and made it work in his and it really does work

it is a set up that really makes power over other header set ups <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
i wish i knew about this header and merge collector set up before i got my SLP set up <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Chef.... so, let me get this straight. Are you saying that Bill's car has the same cam then? And that he's getting 6RWHP MORE with STOCK heads than a Stg. II head/cam car with longtubes with the same cam?? And your also saying that his advantage over MRB00's car is in his custom exhaust?

I don't know.... wouldn't that mean his car would have to make somewhere like 40RWHP more just based on the exhaust to best MRB00's Stage II heads, Jet Hot's and Magnaflow exhaust?

Obviously a good exhaust is important, but just running stepped headers and revised merge collectors I wouldn't think would give you THAT much more power over running a set of regular longtubes and a freeflowing catback.

Am I missing something? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

 

The revised merge colectors are the "high velocity" collectors correct?? I believe Barry at QTP is making setups with these collectors available now. With the proper tuning they are supposed to give some nice gains over regular colllectors, however no one seems to be able to tell me which cam these would go well with. I guess the ESD cam is optimized for these collectors, but still how does a M6 stage 2 heads, not make the same power as a cam only car? Just curious - not trying to start in on the sponsor bashing as I am very happy with my clutch setup that I recieved from ESD.

 

I agree the exhaust has a lot to do with it..

 

we MrBs car is untuned i will say it again bobs car is untuned we will see its #s when it gets tuned so it can be compared tuned vs tuned and bills car was 419rwhp thru exhaust so bobs car is very close with heads helping his car where the header set up helped bills car
Guy talked to barry at QTP and he believes that the exhaust is the reason that the cam works so well and he know about exhaust systems


as for east side selling the exhaust set up Ken is looking into getting the y-pipe made so it can be sold as a pkg.

I know it is hard not to doubt this set up on bills car but no one else is running the same set up for us to compare it to.... but if i wasnt standing there when it was installed i might doubt it to....

the cam same as in Bills and Bobs car is in my car and when my car is tuned by NoGo i bet im pretty close to where Bill is enough to reasonable explain the difference and outsiders will agree i have Slp headers and cats and 3.73s and 315s

please go find the original post for all of the mods on Bills car as they are ALL LISTED

thanks thechef <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

414?
Not impressed for the same 'magic' cam
with Stage 2 heads.

Must be the exhaust. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Chef- I noticed you took the cam #'s
out of your sig.
You must of put a stock cam back in. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

A little low compared to their amazing cam only numbers...

 

01-z no i have the esp 1 cam and am awaiting tuning hope to have it done on monday

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Fly By:
<strong> My how the times have changed! I wish yall would have spoken up about the exhaust. I want pics! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'll bring my digital camera and camcorder for sound clips.

 

duplicate

<small>[ February 27, 2003, 08:36 PM: Message edited by: mrb00formula ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 01-Z:
<strong> 414?
Not impressed for the same 'magic' cam
with Stage 2 heads.

Must be the exhaust. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Chef- I noticed you took the cam #'s
out of your sig.

You must of put a stock cam back in. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now you're starting to be a real dick (as in detective, of course.. although in your case, both shoes fit) with this scrutinizing sig's now.

How my car runs is my concern and you can take you're 2c and go pound sand. Where's your sig, beef-boy?

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mrb00formula:
<strong> Where's your sig, beef-boy? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You dont wanna know. He probably spent 1/4 what most of us did and runs better times than most <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />


I'd love to see some specs on this cam.

 

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by thechef:
<strong> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by I8COBRA:
<strong>
You dont wanna know. He probably spent 1/4 what most of us did and runs better times than most </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is the same guy that wanted to spend a grand for camshaft..
<img src="http://www.hoodscoop.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif" alt=" - " />

 

I believe he ran mid 11's with a 100% stock internal LS1 and trying to hit 10's with a cam only and looking for the right cam which I'm sure he will.

Why you getting all snotty? You pissed because your cam didnt deliver?

<small>[ February 28, 2003, 12:35 AM: Message edited by: I8COBRA ]</small>