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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 07:12 PM
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Unhappy Valve Spring Install From HELL!!!!

So I installed my new 233/239 camshaft from texas speed, now im doing my brand new dual springs, i have that awesome crane cam compressor that makes getting them off a piece of cake. now getting them on... thats another story. I have had NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS getting the springs on. It took me 3 hours to do two and i just gave up on two to write this. The god damn keepers NEVER will both go in. The problem with the crane cam tool is that maybe only one will go in? then u have to take it off, then re adjust, then compress, oh to far to the left, take it off , re adjust, oh to far to the right, take it off, rince and repeat. here are some pics, what am i doing wrong or do u have any tips, im about to say **** it and just let that bitch sit in my garage for a year cuz i really am on my last end with this thing.

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Only room for one keeper.... FML.:

help please.
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 07:18 PM
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what method are you using? top dead center or pumping the cylander full of air? the reason i ask is that it won't be as hard to get the locks in with the valve fully seated. just a thought. you also said your using duals. also, did you change your valve seals for them? did you buy new locks? or using the stockers?
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 07:24 PM
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top dead center.
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 07:24 PM
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i changed my seats, seals, and retainers. stock locks. its what texas-speed gave me.
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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Bump. I need help
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 08:39 PM
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can you install the locks without the sping on. If they will fit you just need to move the spring around a little when compressed.

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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 08:54 PM
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You'll want the retainer at the height of compression just before the one
lock wants to fall out then pry w/screwdiver(left or right) to get the retainer
to shimmy(not a word) so the other lock will click in. It is a bit feisty since
the new dual spring combo has alot more pressure. BE PATIENT
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 08:55 PM
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If your doing it with every piston up to the top you shouldn't have any issues. Only thing I could think of being a problem is the nut on the bottom is to far in on the stud making it bottom out to soon when u tighten the top nut
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 09:41 PM
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Flip the piece of the tool over.man so the recessed part is facing down. The piece that compresses.
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 408Maro
If your doing it with every piston up to the top you shouldn't have any issues. Only thing I could think of being a problem is the nut on the bottom is to far in on the stud making it bottom out to soon when u tighten the top nut
I think it is, will check tomorrwo morning and get back to you all. this is the worst valve spring job ever.
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 09:43 PM
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Flip the piece of the tool over.man so the recessed part is facing down. The piece that compresses. That will line it all up. Your spring is going sideways an stuff because the tool (other side) holds it center. Or close enough.

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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by A.R. Shale Targa
You'll want the retainer at the height of compression just before the one
lock wants to fall out then pry w/screwdiver(left or right) to get the retainer
to shimmy(not a word) so the other lock will click in. It is a bit feisty since
the new dual spring combo has alot more pressure. BE PATIENT
So i put them both on and uncompress and as it wants to pop out i move it or do i move the one that is in place? this is how i got the one on cylinder 6, but i just vaugely remember it.
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Old Apr 26, 2011 | 09:49 PM
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Use a small flat tip screwdriver and try to lift the valve up from the groove and hold it there with a magnet, then slip the retainer in the other side. I have used this method many times and has worked great.
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Old Apr 27, 2011 | 10:29 AM
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also maybe try a little bit of grease on the locks to make them stick to the valve stem
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by blubu
Flip the piece of the tool over.man so the recessed part is facing down. The piece that compresses. That will line it all up. Your spring is going sideways an stuff because the tool (other side) holds it center. Or close enough.

Josh.
This is wrong. IF he did that he would have less clearance to get the keepers into the retainers... While this is not the EXACT tool, it's from the same company and same purpose...

notice the appearance...

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Originally Posted by Whiteaw57
also maybe try a little bit of grease on the locks to make them stick to the valve stem
THis is what I do and it works.
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 08:46 PM
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Sometimes you have to move the spring side to side to let the locks line up. The grease will help, I also used a small screwdriver to help move the retainer around a little. A little is all you need.
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 09:10 PM
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got em all done thanks for the help
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Old Apr 28, 2011 | 10:00 PM
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Wur you putting them in at the same time? Thats the only way to do it imo
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