I am looking into complete engine rebuild. I see people who are doing rebuilds for 6,000 and on any of my lists of parts i am always up around 16,000. If i am doing something majorly wrong please tell. Here is a list of what i would like to do with my 2000 ls1 camaro.

1. Moser 12-Bolt rear end $2550
2. Clevite main bearings $120
3. Clevite rod bearings $90
4. Federal mogul cam bearings $35
5. ARP head bolt kit $150
6. Texas MS3 camshaft $380
7. Comp Cams hydraulic roller lifters $215
8. Comp Cams LS7 magnum pushrods $150
9. In Motion LS2 double timing chain $110
10. Lunati H-Beam connecting rods $700
11. Callies Compstar crankshaft (4” stroke) $850
12. AFR 225cc, 65cc chamber heads $2500
13. Comp cams Pro-Magnum rocker arms $440
14. Ported LS6 oil pump $180
15. Diamond L92 stroker dished 19.2cc pistons $950
16. Pacesetter longtube headers $370
17. FAST 65 pound injectors $420
18. FAST 102mm intake manifold $50
19. FAST 102mm throttle body $500
20. SLP intake lid $340
21. Mcleod twin disc clutch $690
22. Hurst T56 6-Speed transmission $2800
23. Aeromotive 700hp rated fuel pump $330
24. Cherry bomb glasspacks $210
25. Miscellaneous bolts and gaskets $100

TOTAL=$15,970.00

 

1. You have excellent taste in choosing components.
2. The price on line 18 is a typo.
3. Item 25 is light by $200-$300.
4. Talk to sponsors about a package deal.
5. Look at short block/long block optons.
6. Consider moving away from a GenIII engine - some of the premium parts you are looking at are no more expensive for later GenIV and LSX blocks.

 

You have built a great motor for nothing. A stock internal motor can handle AFRs/FAST and an MS3. The only reason you would build a bottom end like that would be for boost or spray. The guys who are boosting or spraying are spending that kind of money to make a reliable set-up. Welcome to what it takes to have a fast car.

 

how much horsepower/torque do you think i can produce without any of the internals such as the crank, pistons, etc.

Heads
rocker arms
Push rods
cam
Throttle body
Intake manifold
SLP lid
lifters
Headers
Injectors
glasspacks

 

Close to or at 500 at the wheel with the right combo.

 

500 rwhp is my goal so i cant complain. I have already done a ton to the suspension because i knew from the start what i wanted to do with it. Do you think an eaton posi will hold the power put to the ground. i am running 390 mm wide rear tires.

 

I'd look at flat top pistons with around 8cc valve reliefs....the ms3 cam would love that compression where the 19cc dish pistons will really drop your compression.

One reason your price is so high is you included the price of your new rear, clutch and tranny in your engine build cost...break your prices into separate lists and totals and it will appear to be cheaper lol


Like said above, get package prices for your rotating assembly, or even a complete shortblock....when building a stroker your prices always get more expensive but you gotta pay to play

Rite now I'm sitting at around $8,000 in my 408 stroker and I'm still running my stock heads ported/ milled, so I'm still looking to spend a couple of thousand on the right head one of these days which will put me over the $10,000 mark

 

1. Moser 12-Bolt rear end $2550 - Keep an eye in the classified you can find them for around $1500-$1800
2. Clevite main bearings $120 ( P series are around $80)
3. Clevite rod bearings $90 (p series are around $45)
4. Federal mogul cam bearings $35 correct
5. ARP head bolt kit $150 ($104 from pace performance)
6. Texas MS3 camshaft $380 ( Correct )
7. Comp Cams hydraulic roller lifters $215 (LS7 lifter are $100)
8. Comp Cams LS7 magnum pushrods $150 (Trick Flow $90)
9. In Motion LS2 double timing chain $110 (LS2 stock chain would hold your power fine they are $40)
10. Lunati H-Beam connecting rods $700 (For 500 hp no need)
11. Callies Compstar crankshaft (4” stroke) $850 (again not needed)
12. AFR 225cc, 65cc chamber heads $2500 (Correct)
13. Comp cams Pro-Magnum rocker arms $440 (Stock with trunion upgrade $140)
14. Ported LS6 oil pump $180 (Melling select $150)
15. Diamond L92 stroker dished 19.2cc pistons $950 (not needed)
16. Pacesetter longtube headers $370 (correct)
17. FAST 65 pound injectors $420 (???? why for 500hp?? You can run LS2 42lb injectors for around $150)
18. FAST 102mm intake manifold $50 typo?? ($800)
19. FAST 102mm throttle body $500 (nick williams 102mm for $400)
20. SLP intake lid $340 (look in the classified for a good deal)
21. Mcleod twin disc clutch $690
22. Hurst T56 6-Speed transmission $2800
23. Aeromotive 700hp rated fuel pump $330 (Walboro 255 will handle 500)
24. Cherry bomb glasspacks $210 Glass packs are cheap around $60 a pieice
25. Miscellaneous bolts and gaskets $100 (More like $500)


Just really depends on your goals for the motor...If you build it like you priced it should handle whatever you throw at is...If you only want around 500hp then you can save a lot of money....

Also your motor isn't too terribly exspensive but when you add in the tranny, clutch, rearend etc it def adds up....

 

i want to build the car to take anything. I would rather buy good parts once than cheap ones over and over. If i were to put down 500 rwhp i would be happy. How well would it drive on the street. I would like to use it as a fun car that i dont always have to take but i want it to be nice enough that i want to drive it often.

 

I like Sapps updated list....much more realistic.

 

I agree that second list is a good one.

SLP lid for $340? um... around $100 new in Summit or $60-80 on this site used.

 

What's the deal with the tranny? Do you have a t56 already? If you do you can get it rebuilt by tick for a lot less and make it bullet proof for around 1500

 

If you search the forums enough you can get a better deal on the items...

 

Don't forget all the machine work and buildup costs.

as for

21. Mcleod twin disc clutch $690

690 is just the clutch, your going to need a new flywheel also. I believe a twin disk clutch requires their manufactured flywheel which is around 360 bucks. Even if not, if you use the old flywheel you could halve the life of your new clutch. Stock flywheel can be turned, but that is usually frowned upon when using a performance high grip clutch.

 

I want to see a build thread with parts when you start buying. When you going to start buying?

 

I am looking into it at the moment i am trying to find out what it will cost so i dont have an o s*%t moment if i get in over my head. I will post the build on the forum partially because i will more than likely have questions and i always enjoy seeing other builds. If i am not going to pull the motor out to put crank, pistons, etc. then i am not going to pull it out just for an oil pump. Or should i.

 

The second list is around 10,000 which makes me want to puke a little less. But i am wondering about how to go about actually installing these things. Can you put the cam in without tearing down the motor? Is it necessary to pull the motor out of the car to put the cam in.

 

you are talking about doing an engine build.....usually when you build an engine you do it outside of the car, till it is complete give or take heads/intake, and then put it in the car. now if you want to do a cam SWAP then yes it can be done with the engine in the car.

 

Lol i feel your pain man.....i caculated everything out fOr my ls1 andgot 8500........now my car has 90000 onher nd rather than taking the chance, im deciding to do a complete tear down.......it isnt needed to do pistons and rods, but ur looking at 600 flywheel which are flirtinv

 

Sry got cutoff....ur flirtin with the stock pistons durability......vengeance racing has diamond pistons and callies 650 hp rods......together its like 950......those are what im choosing.......why mess up such a large investment by not doin pistons and rods.....ur already taking the motor out.....as far as trans.......just ship it to texas drivetrain........stage 2 rebuild is 680...plus right now u get a clutch discount with them........and btw, save 80 bucks and get ls7 lifters....great list, and you can def accomplish 500 wheel