Heads and Cam for stock converter
07-19-2011, 10:27 AM
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Heads and Cam for stock converter Hello all, bought a 01 WS6 convertible completely stock 40k miles. I would like to increase its power but keep it DD with the stock stall conv. This car will not go to the track. I will of course be doing full exhaust, intake and tune as well. What would be a good H/C package to give me what I want. If you want a number i would say around the 380-400 rwhp mark would be plenty.
Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
07-19-2011, 10:33 AM
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If you are not going to race it, why do you want the heads/cam? The stock stall can't handle much more than the stock cam imo. I would stay I lost as much drivability with a mild cam (224/224, 112 lsa) as I did with my stall. Fuel economy decreased, idle needed to be raised, it was louder, pushing through the brakes, etc. You could definitely get a nice increase in power from a set of heads and a very mild cam, but I don't know what your budget is either.
07-19-2011, 10:41 AM
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Doing heads and cam on stock converter is like eating a poopy flavored lolli pop. It's just no good man, and it does you no good. Honestly your car would be easier to DD if it was H/C with a stall, instead of H/C. I had a Yank SBS 3800 that i daily drove, even in 12 inches of snow. It's very easy to DD. Not to mention adding a stall is fun as can be, i couldn't get enough of mine after i picked it up.
07-19-2011, 11:27 AM
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Thanks for the responses. I guess to clarify lets say I get a set of 243 heads like the Patriot stage 2 or equivalent for example. Whats the largest cam that i could use with the stock converter. I am assuming something in the 210-215 duration range for intake. Also you dont need to take it to the track to want more power
Besides I already have a track car, the TA is for cruising.
Besides I already have a track car, the TA is for cruising.
07-19-2011, 11:32 AM
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You need a good stall with any aftermarket cam. It will run so much better and stronger with a stall. Like everyone said. You WILL need a stall. Everytime a thread like this gets posted it gets the same answer. Don't cam an auto without a stall.
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I recomend this one
http://www.circledspecialties.com/p-...converter.aspx
Very good price and I would recomend the 2A 3000-3200 stall. It will feel tight driving around. I don't even notice my 3400 anymore.
http://www.circledspecialties.com/p-...converter.aspx
Very good price and I would recomend the 2A 3000-3200 stall. It will feel tight driving around. I don't even notice my 3400 anymore.
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OP, why would you want a minimum stall for a cam? I know it's your DD, but i garuntee you will always want more stall. I barely noticed my 3800 after a month of having it, gas mileage didn't decrease but 1-2mpg in town and even then you have a V8 who cares about gas mileage? It also made the car 1000x funner to drive. IMO i would go with ATLEAST a 3600, but that's just me. Your stock 4L60 should be ok, just make you snag an aftermarket trans cooler and if you want to be on the safer side a strengthened flexplate.
07-19-2011, 05:04 PM
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Personally I dont think there is heads and cam or cam only setup for a stock converter because even a stock internal car needs a loose converter to get the most out of it. In my stock internal 98 T/A I had an SS4000 and loved it. Have the same converter in my 02 WS6 cause I went with a small cam, driveability is fine and performance is awsome. If it was me I wouldnt go with less than 3600 though 3800-4000 is more ideal.
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OK first thanks for all the responses. Now you guys with high stalls, how do these stalls you have drive on the street??? I mean my street/strip car has a TCI 6x tranny(4l80e) with a 3600 stall behind a 600hp 427 sbc. While this converter is very streetable it is far from stock. How do yours act with normal easy driving? Are you revving up a lot before you really start moving or are your converters designed diffrent than mine?
07-19-2011, 11:25 PM
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for your needs i would not get more than a 3200. yes, a larger one will make your car faster, and probably a fair share faster. but, i see drivability is very important to you. i read a lot of people say their 3600-4K stall drives likes stock. every time that i read something like this i grind my teeth. i lost a fair share of drivability with my yank PT3800. with the stock stall i could drive around at and below 2000 rpms if needed. there is not a chance in the world i can stay below 2000 with my yank. with the yank SS3200 we lost a little drivability but not much at all. it is very mild on the street. some people can tolerate a much more aggressive setup than others. once the stall locks up, you will not notice any major difference with any of these convertors. whether you have a stall or not, a stock tranny will not last forever. if you don't beat the car up all the time i have a feeling you will be fine for quite a while. i have a feeling you will be happy with a cam in the 220 range (get a lsa around 114 if a smooth idle is more of a concern), 28-3200 stall, and LS6 heads. this will give you a nice gain in power.
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for your needs i would not get more than a 3200. yes, a larger one will make your car faster, and probably a fair share faster. but, i see drivability is very important to you. i read a lot of people say their 3600-4K stall drives likes stock. every time that i read something like this i grind my teeth. i lost a fair share of drivability with my yank PT3800. with the stock stall i could drive around at and below 2000 rpms if needed. there is not a chance in the world i can stay below 2000 with my yank. with the yank SS3200 we lost a little drivability but not much at all. it is very mild on the street. some people can tolerate a much more aggressive setup than others. once the stall locks up, you will not notice any major difference with any of these convertors. whether you have a stall or not, a stock tranny will not last forever. if you don't beat the car up all the time i have a feeling you will be fine for quite a while. i have a feeling you will be happy with a cam in the 220 range (get a lsa around 114 if a smooth idle is more of a concern), 28-3200 stall, and LS6 heads. this will give you a nice gain in power.
07-21-2011, 06:51 AM
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I have a Circle D 3800 4C and it's drivability is superb. Get a stall an don't look back...and get cam that will really let those heads breathe. If you are going to do it, do it right.
