im missing the low end grunt
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im missing the low end grunt 
my last car was a 79 malibu with a streetable oldschool 383 world heads blah blah, auto, 3500 stall, 4.88'sthe one before that, 90' s-10 RHS headed 383, big cam, dominator carb, auto, 3500, stall, 4.10's and so on.
now 02 hawk m6, 4.56's clutch, no real mods. i guess i just fell into too much interweb folklore, the car runs great, its just not what i was expecting
i gess im just missing the violent throttle burps!!
what to do???
A little high on the gears I would say 4.11's would be better. You got to get some bolt-ons on it. Tune, headers, dr's, ram air, lid, cutout Pretty much everything in my sig. It's all pretty cheap. Than get cam and heads and it will really fly
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im planning on giving it a fair chance.i just feel the lack of cubes will prohibit low end,(I think i see a built 6.0 in my future) but we will see. i will say over all the car is much nicer to drive than the other cars ive had.
Those motors of yours previously would be lucky to crack 400rwhp. You can make 400rwhp with your car+Headers, ORY, Lid, Injectors, Hotwire Kit for fuel pump, Exhaust, and baby cam through a T56. Add a set of heads and a fast 102 and you've got AT LEAST 450rwhp if not 460-475 depending on cam and heads selection.
Put a 12 bolt, S60, or 9" out back and a good clutch and go click off some 11 second 1/4 times. High 10's if your short times are in the 1.4's low 1.5's.
Then drive home from the track and get 25mpg on the highway the whole time doing it with a smile on your face while the other guy trailers his home and ran the same times or slower than you did.
That's not internet hype, that's the world of LS motors.....welcome
Put a 12 bolt, S60, or 9" out back and a good clutch and go click off some 11 second 1/4 times. High 10's if your short times are in the 1.4's low 1.5's.
Then drive home from the track and get 25mpg on the highway the whole time doing it with a smile on your face while the other guy trailers his home and ran the same times or slower than you did.
That's not internet hype, that's the world of LS motors.....welcome
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i guess my question is, with yalls cam / bolt on cars how much did it truely improve you low end acceration, im content with the 4500 and above performance,
another ?? can any of you shed any light on why such big intake ports on such small cid engines?? as compared to conventional sbc's, i know they are impossible to compare, lets not start that war,lol
i feel like this has something to do with it, maby not??
another ?? can any of you shed any light on why such big intake ports on such small cid engines?? as compared to conventional sbc's, i know they are impossible to compare, lets not start that war,lol
i feel like this has something to do with it, maby not??
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Those motors of yours previously would be lucky to crack 400rwhp. You can make 400rwhp with your car+Headers, ORY, Lid, Injectors, Hotwire Kit for fuel pump, Exhaust, and baby cam through a T56. Add a set of heads and a fast 102 and you've got AT LEAST 450rwhp if not 460-475 depending on cam and heads selection.
Put a 12 bolt, S60, or 9" out back and a good clutch and go click off some 11 second 1/4 times. High 10's if your short times are in the 1.4's low 1.5's.
Then drive home from the track and get 25mpg on the highway the whole time doing it with a smile on your face while the other guy trailers his home and ran the same times or slower than you did.
That's not internet hype, that's the world of LS motors.....welcome
Put a 12 bolt, S60, or 9" out back and a good clutch and go click off some 11 second 1/4 times. High 10's if your short times are in the 1.4's low 1.5's.
Then drive home from the track and get 25mpg on the highway the whole time doing it with a smile on your face while the other guy trailers his home and ran the same times or slower than you did.
That's not internet hype, that's the world of LS motors.....welcome
They're arent exactly huge for the engine but yes they are bigger than sbc's. The reason being is that the engines are designed to flow air well and make hp. Older sbc's make good torque down low due because of the small intake volume of air they flow, while it is good for low end torque it wont make it up high. The ls engines tend to make torque and hp up higher in the rpm range due to their bigger ports and wider lsa cams. If you put a cam in with a 112ish lsa you should gain some good grunt down low and high. If you want the torque of a big engine down low and the hp of an ls up high I'd suggest looking into a storker lq9. But I think a decent cammed ls1 would suit you fine and trump your old chevy.
To get back to your questions, I assume you are talking about something like mid RPM torque since you specify you like the 4500+RPM performance...
One of the things to consider is that the butt dyno is not a reliable indicator of speed. If you have an older generation type of motor that has a lump of torque that tapers off substantially as it goes towards redline, each time you change gears you will feel a hit and the lack of consistency in the acceleration may actually make it feel faster than it is. On the other hand, a motor that makes good torque and maintains most of it to redline will accelerate more smoothly and perhaps not feel as fast even though it is pulling longer, not necessarily harder.
To answer a little more directly, if you want to improve the torque in the mid range you can do that with the stock displacement with a decent cam and heads choice. Get something with decent DCR and good LSA without excessive advance that will rob the power stroke of length and decrease the torque. You might find that there are a lot of people who want the biggest cam specs just for the sake of having the biggest number. You do not want that... you will want sensible specs optimized for whatever rev range you decide you want to optimize. Likewise, good heads with good flow throughout the valve lift range will be helpful.
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just for the record my s-10 engine was a
6"rod h-beam , 11.75:1, file fit rings, kieth black pistions, RHS 220cc runners, victor JR intake . dominator 750cfm with a two inch carb spacer, .525,.525. /.252@50/ 110* hydraulic flat tappet. lol
all targeted toward top end power, pulled like a tractor on the bottom and loved 7,000,
malibu engine,- same story different cam and intake, dead hooked on the street, like being shot out of a cannon, shiffting at 7,200,auto
i know. antcient technology, but it was dirt cheap, hard to beat around town, as far as getting to the next red light is concerned.
i feel the potential in this car but, will always defend old school powa!!
6"rod h-beam , 11.75:1, file fit rings, kieth black pistions, RHS 220cc runners, victor JR intake . dominator 750cfm with a two inch carb spacer, .525,.525. /.252@50/ 110* hydraulic flat tappet. lol
all targeted toward top end power, pulled like a tractor on the bottom and loved 7,000,
malibu engine,- same story different cam and intake, dead hooked on the street, like being shot out of a cannon, shiffting at 7,200,auto
i know. antcient technology, but it was dirt cheap, hard to beat around town, as far as getting to the next red light is concerned.
i feel the potential in this car but, will always defend old school powa!!
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"What RPMs are you actually running through with 4.56 gears? Seems like an odd gear choice if you care about any of the RPMs below like 5000" (HAZ-matt)
the car runs well in the upper end, so get it there quicker. start shifting. my thoughts.
lol, i feel ive started a pissing match that cant be won on by iether side,
not ls1 hating people, i just miss the fact that i had minimal money in a old school enging/car set up that makes my fairly expecive hawk feel like its tied to a stump.
the car runs well in the upper end, so get it there quicker. start shifting. my thoughts.
lol, i feel ive started a pissing match that cant be won on by iether side,
not ls1 hating people, i just miss the fact that i had minimal money in a old school enging/car set up that makes my fairly expecive hawk feel like its tied to a stump.
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honestly, i would rather a stalled auto, no doubt. this car just came to me i wasn't really looking for it specifically.
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ok im finished with my rant, lol . i admit its clear to see how little effot you can put into these cars and get great results, i guess im i late on the LS transition, but as of now it just dont feel like a HOT ROD.
just for the record my s-10 engine was a
6"rod h-beam , 11.75:1, file fit rings, kieth black pistions, RHS 220cc runners, victor JR intake . dominator 750cfm with a two inch carb spacer, .525,.525. /.252@50/ 110* hydraulic flat tappet. lol
all targeted toward top end power, pulled like a tractor on the bottom and loved 7,000,
malibu engine,- same story different cam and intake, dead hooked on the street, like being shot out of a cannon, shiffting at 7,200,auto
i know. antcient technology, but it was dirt cheap, hard to beat around town, as far as getting to the next red light is concerned.
i feel the potential in this car but, will always defend old school powa!!
6"rod h-beam , 11.75:1, file fit rings, kieth black pistions, RHS 220cc runners, victor JR intake . dominator 750cfm with a two inch carb spacer, .525,.525. /.252@50/ 110* hydraulic flat tappet. lol
all targeted toward top end power, pulled like a tractor on the bottom and loved 7,000,
malibu engine,- same story different cam and intake, dead hooked on the street, like being shot out of a cannon, shiffting at 7,200,auto
i know. antcient technology, but it was dirt cheap, hard to beat around town, as far as getting to the next red light is concerned.
i feel the potential in this car but, will always defend old school powa!!
GEN 1 hybrids; 400crank=torque & 350 block=better cooling.....but the design
technology of the LS platform is undeniably superior in EVERY way !!!!
Instead of covering the dozens of improvements, I'll just recommend reading
up on what the GM engineers created. Most on this site know that a heads/
cam, & bolt-on combo (matched) will make 500 flywheel HP and still be mild
enough to daily drive while knocking down decent mileage. Lastly peak #s
are impressive in conversation BUT average power throughout the band
gets it done.
some TSP 1 7/8 headers, a TSP true dual setup, and a cam like a TSP MS3 or the TR raptr or trak cam will be a fun ride with 4.56 gears. throw some better heads on that thing down the road and you will have a bad car.
you will fall in love with how the car runs, its luxury compared to old schools, and an AC.
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"power is power. but a sbc and a ls car feels way different. just like a sbc and a bbc. but with as much gear as you are running with a stock cam it probably feels like the the gears are doing all the work and the motor has no *****."
(99 blue bird)
this, exactly!!
AMEN on the AC part. lol
(99 blue bird)
this, exactly!!
AMEN on the AC part. lol
Here is how you make that hawk bust that old malibu's *** you used to have.
Take that T56 out and put a TH400 or Full manual 60 or 80e. Put a 4000 stall in it, put LT's, ORY, Lid, and exhaust with cutout. T-Rex cam, AI 243 Heads, stock LS6 intake and TB. injectors and hotwire kit. Put a 12 bolt in it with 3.73's and suspension and a LSD. Take the front sway bar off and put a good set of shocks in the front.
If that doesn't pull the tires off the ground every time and get better gas mileage, start every time and have the potential to run mid 10's in that form and with some N20 your in the 9's.
Seriously I don't think the Malibu or S-10 could do that WHILE remaining 100% streetable and not needing a Solid Roller cam 1050cfm dominator and a single plane intake to get there. See where I am going?
I read CHP, Car Craft, Super Chevy, and Hot Rod all the time.
I love Gen 1 small blocks just as much as my dad did.
The Gen III/IV platform is just an all around more efficient better producing powerplant due to it's cylinder head design.
Take that T56 out and put a TH400 or Full manual 60 or 80e. Put a 4000 stall in it, put LT's, ORY, Lid, and exhaust with cutout. T-Rex cam, AI 243 Heads, stock LS6 intake and TB. injectors and hotwire kit. Put a 12 bolt in it with 3.73's and suspension and a LSD. Take the front sway bar off and put a good set of shocks in the front.
If that doesn't pull the tires off the ground every time and get better gas mileage, start every time and have the potential to run mid 10's in that form and with some N20 your in the 9's.
Seriously I don't think the Malibu or S-10 could do that WHILE remaining 100% streetable and not needing a Solid Roller cam 1050cfm dominator and a single plane intake to get there. See where I am going?
I read CHP, Car Craft, Super Chevy, and Hot Rod all the time.
I love Gen 1 small blocks just as much as my dad did.
The Gen III/IV platform is just an all around more efficient better producing powerplant due to it's cylinder head design.