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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 11:33 AM
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I have a 98 camaro that had a vengance racing vindicator cam only in it, and the car made 400rwhp and 373 rwtq. So I decided this summer to buy some heads for my car, and picked up a brand new set of 243's from a friend. I also put some 42# injectors in the car along with an MS3 cam from texas speed. I had to change cams because the vindicator had some wearing issues and the guy that was putting it together had an MS3 sitting around. I got the car tuned, and everything was spot on --12.8 a/f @ 28* of timing. When I went and put the car on the dyno I was surprised when the car only made 408 rwhp 390rwtq on a dynojet dyno. I am just wondering what could be wrong?? The car should be making 430+ rwhp from what I have researched on this site with this set up.
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---new set up---
built m6
125,xxx miles
stock ls6 intake/TB
42lb Injectors
Texas Speed MS3 on 112 lsa
Ported brand new 243 ls6 heads
ARP rod bolts
SLP air lid
SLP smooth bellows
ngk tr6
longtubes and a texas speed y pipe with and electric cut-out.


---old set up---
m6
98,xxx
stock ls6 intake/TB
stock injectors
Vengance Racing Vindicator on a 112lsa
stock 806 heads
ARP rod bolts
shorty headers, and a rigged up y pipe with electric cut-out.

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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 11:45 AM
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what rpm did you take the new setup to? i know that ms3 likes the revs and did you use the same dyno? i would change those spark plugs to ngktr55's, not the reason for your lower dyno numbers im sure, but if im not badly mistaken the tr6's are more for nitrous applications.
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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 11:51 AM
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Not the same EXACT dyno but they were both dynojets. I spun both set ups to 6800, and the tr6's were because I planned on spraying the car with a 125 shot.
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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 10:08 PM
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http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7569/dynom.jpg

This is the link to the dyno numbers with the new set up.
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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 10:26 PM
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How does the car feel? Does it seem faster? Any old track numbers you can compare with?
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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 10:30 PM
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It honestly doesnt seem to pull any harder than it did with the old setup. The car's best et was 12.72@ 113.45 mph with a 1.92 60' on the old set up.
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Old Sep 22, 2011 | 10:52 PM
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Those numbers are STD and not SAE. SAE numbers will reflect a correction for standard atmospheric conditions.
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Old Sep 23, 2011 | 03:52 AM
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Those numbers are STD and not SAE. SAE numbers will reflect a correction for standard atmospheric conditions.
The numbers were corrected and other people dyno'd on the same dyno and their numbers were consistent with their previous dynos
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Old Sep 23, 2011 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lammy
The numbers were corrected and other people dyno'd on the same dyno and their numbers were consistent with their previous dynos
I am going with what it says on the upper right corner of the dyno paper.
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Old Sep 23, 2011 | 09:40 AM
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If I am looking at this correctly, the new setup has better heads, but a somewhat milder cam - Is that right?

(I know neither cam is particularly "mild.")
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Old Sep 23, 2011 | 12:31 PM
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Many variables comparing different dyno numbers, especially without knowing the correction factor. Who ported the heads and have you done a leak down/compression check of the motor?
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Old Sep 23, 2011 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkman
If I am looking at this correctly, the new setup has better heads, but a somewhat milder cam - Is that right?

(I know neither cam is particularly "mild.")

the cams are actually pretty close

MS3-- 237/242 .603 in/.609 ex 112 lsa
Vindicator-- 240/244 .608 in/.596 ex 112 lsa
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Old Sep 23, 2011 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SNLPerformance
Many variables comparing different dyno numbers, especially without knowing the correction factor. Who ported the heads and have you done a leak down/compression check of the motor?
The guy that did my work is a very reputable builder and said that the bottom end was good. I know he did NOT do a compression though. The engine builder took my heads to a guy that he has used on a bunch of his other builds and hasnt had any problems with him.
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