Thinking about a 228 cam... opinions?
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Thinking about a 228 cam... opinions? Hey everyone,
I'm slowly starting to get to the point where I'm ready to put a cam in my car... been doing a lot of research here, and I'm starting to really like what a 228/228 cam has to offer. Looking at .571/.571 on the lift to keep it a little less harsh on the 918 valve springs...
Anyhow, how driveable would this cam be with an M6 on a 112 lsa? Also, what RPMs would a cam like this peak at? I'd like to not have to spin it past 6500 or 6600 RPMs. This car only gets driven about 3 times a week, but is commuted to work (through traffic of course) at least once a week... otherwise it is mostly a weekend vehicle.
I'll be getting a custom Predator tune once I get the cam in. Would like to hear from some people who have cams similar to this... and what kind of idle issues they've had.
I've also considered getting a 224 cam, or a 226 cam. Any opinions will be appreciated, as always.
I'm slowly starting to get to the point where I'm ready to put a cam in my car... been doing a lot of research here, and I'm starting to really like what a 228/228 cam has to offer. Looking at .571/.571 on the lift to keep it a little less harsh on the 918 valve springs...
Anyhow, how driveable would this cam be with an M6 on a 112 lsa? Also, what RPMs would a cam like this peak at? I'd like to not have to spin it past 6500 or 6600 RPMs. This car only gets driven about 3 times a week, but is commuted to work (through traffic of course) at least once a week... otherwise it is mostly a weekend vehicle.
I'll be getting a custom Predator tune once I get the cam in. Would like to hear from some people who have cams similar to this... and what kind of idle issues they've had.
I've also considered getting a 224 cam, or a 226 cam. Any opinions will be appreciated, as always.
That cam wouldn't idle too bad with a good tune. I have a 231/231 in my auto and it idles really bad at start up due to tuning issues. But after it warms up it idles just fine. That cam will probably make good power up untill 6200 RPM.
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I have the Futral F10 228/581/112 in my daily driver. It drives just fine in bumper to bumper traffic and runs like stink.
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My buddy has that cam or one very much like it in his TA. It is a 228/228 571/571 112 ls. It is an auto and it idles worse than my much bigger cam. It makes for a great race cam as it made 382 rwhp and 435 rwtq in an auto with 4.10s and a 4400 stall. It has 5.3 stage 2 heads and custom tuning. If this is the same cam you have it will need custom tuning for sure even though it is a m-6.
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We stock the 228 camshafts with 588 lift. The 588 lift camshaft definately idles better than the lower lift xe lobes.
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Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA
We stock the 228 camshafts with 588 lift. The 588 lift camshaft definately idles better than the lower lift xe lobes.
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Tranzor, don't look at the camshaft specs @ .050" only. The difference between a 228xe lobes and a 228xer lobes are much more different than you would think other than the big difference in lift. I would be thinking with the slower ramp rates of the 228xe lobe that its actually ends up being a bigger cam than the 228xer lobe'd cam if you go by advertised duration, or duration measured at .006". I don't have the cam cards here to check though. Anyways its not enough of a difference to really matter as far as power numbers. 
Although I've never had done any back to back testing on 228 vs 228R.
918 springs have always done really well for me and the many customers I've installed them for. I've never had any problems with them or seen any firsthand problems. The only springs I've seen break were the REV duals on a G5X2 car. If you want better piece of mind we sell the Patriot dual springs or Crane Dual springs that will both fit without machining, you would have to change to the earlier style valve seals, but everything needed should be in the dual spring kits.
Although I've never had done any back to back testing on 228 vs 228R.918 springs have always done really well for me and the many customers I've installed them for. I've never had any problems with them or seen any firsthand problems. The only springs I've seen break were the REV duals on a G5X2 car. If you want better piece of mind we sell the Patriot dual springs or Crane Dual springs that will both fit without machining, you would have to change to the earlier style valve seals, but everything needed should be in the dual spring kits.
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Originally Posted by Tranzor_Z28
Hey everyone,
I'm slowly starting to get to the point where I'm ready to put a cam in my car... been doing a lot of research here, and I'm starting to really like what a 228/228 cam has to offer. Looking at .571/.571 on the lift to keep it a little less harsh on the 918 valve springs...
Anyhow, how driveable would this cam be with an M6 on a 112 lsa? Also, what RPMs would a cam like this peak at? I'd like to not have to spin it past 6500 or 6600 RPMs...
I'm slowly starting to get to the point where I'm ready to put a cam in my car... been doing a lot of research here, and I'm starting to really like what a 228/228 cam has to offer. Looking at .571/.571 on the lift to keep it a little less harsh on the 918 valve springs...
Anyhow, how driveable would this cam be with an M6 on a 112 lsa? Also, what RPMs would a cam like this peak at? I'd like to not have to spin it past 6500 or 6600 RPMs...
I run a 224/228 XE-R, 113, 581,588 and the cam just kicks butt.
Dynoed 454/417@ 6600rpm. Spinning the tires,idle launch, and a poor 60ft, still the car ran a 11.8@122. Next time out I expect to see a low 11@124. I would say thats a good cam considering I have stock muffers and tail pipes.
At idle, its almost as smooth as stock and at wot, it really helps the car wind up. I think the 228/228 would make a great cam, just make sure and get the
XE-R lobe, its better.
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Originally Posted by -Joseph-
Tranzor, don't look at the camshaft specs @ .050" only. The difference between a 228xe lobes and a 228xer lobes are much more different than you would think other than the big difference in lift. I would be thinking with the slower ramp rates of the 228xe lobe that its actually ends up being a bigger cam than the 228xer lobe'd cam if you go by advertised duration, or duration measured at .006". I don't have the cam cards here to check though. Anyways its not enough of a difference to really matter as far as power numbers. Although I've never had done any back to back testing on 228 vs 228R.
918 springs have always done really well for me and the many customers I've installed them for. I've never had any problems with them or seen any firsthand problems. The only springs I've seen break were the REV duals on a G5X2 car. If you want better piece of mind we sell the Patriot dual springs or Crane Dual springs that will both fit without machining, you would have to change to the earlier style valve seals, but everything needed should be in the dual spring kits.
Although I've never had done any back to back testing on 228 vs 228R.918 springs have always done really well for me and the many customers I've installed them for. I've never had any problems with them or seen any firsthand problems. The only springs I've seen break were the REV duals on a G5X2 car. If you want better piece of mind we sell the Patriot dual springs or Crane Dual springs that will both fit without machining, you would have to change to the earlier style valve seals, but everything needed should be in the dual spring kits.
The cam we label as a 228R (228/228, .588"/.588", 112 LSA) was the second camshaft that we tried in my '02 SS A4 with stock heads. We tried a few different cams varying nothing else but LSA and advance ground in to come to the best overall setup for driveability, idle quality, and p-to-v clearance. I ran a best of 11.41 @ 116.85 MPH on a 1.53 60' with STOCK cylinder heads and a 3,526# raceweight on a BFG drag radial with this cam! It's a very proven cam that makes fantastic power. Even after adding ported cylinder heads, the car would still get 23.5 MPG on the highway at 75 MPH with 3.73's and the a/c blasting! I drove the car daily and took it on quite a few road trips, the longest being 600 miles in a weekend. So long as you have some good custom tuning, the cam will work great.
Feel free to give us a call if you have more questions. We're always here to help.
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Feel free to give us a call if you have more questions. We're always here to help.
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If you are interested I will be pulling the cam out of a shop car. The cam was installed with the new motor 2 months ago and with the Chicago weather it has gotten about 800 miles on it. Runs great just want to try something larger now.
Comp Cam 228/230 .571 .573 112
Just an option
Thanks Nate
Comp Cam 228/230 .571 .573 112
Just an option
Thanks Nate
