Decide on Heads or Cam First?
Decide on Heads or Cam First? Alright guys,
I'm thinking about getting cam and heads sometime soon and was wondering which I should choose first. Should I choose the cam I want and then choose the heads based off of that, or should I choose the heads first and base the cam off of that. Goals are 450+ RWHP and 11's. Stall will be either a Yank SS3600 or SS4000. I was thinking about 3 cams:
1. Custom EPS cam spec'd by Pat G
2. Torquer V.2
3. Texas Speed 233/239
I want something that is going to be a great all around cam and have a pretty stout low/mid range as I don't try to get the RPM's as high as they can go. I want something that has peak power below 6k probably, that's why I was thinking a custom spec'd cam might be better, but thought I would get the opinion of the members on here.
As far as heads, I was looking at these from Texas-Speed:
1. PRC Stage 2.5 LS6
2. PRC Stage 3 LS6
If you guys have any other suggestions as far as what heads to go with or a cam that would better suit my goals I would appreciate it.
Hopefully you guys can lead me in the right direction and then I can contact the appropriate people to talk with them further about what I want.
Thanks!
I'm thinking about getting cam and heads sometime soon and was wondering which I should choose first. Should I choose the cam I want and then choose the heads based off of that, or should I choose the heads first and base the cam off of that. Goals are 450+ RWHP and 11's. Stall will be either a Yank SS3600 or SS4000. I was thinking about 3 cams:
1. Custom EPS cam spec'd by Pat G
2. Torquer V.2
3. Texas Speed 233/239
I want something that is going to be a great all around cam and have a pretty stout low/mid range as I don't try to get the RPM's as high as they can go. I want something that has peak power below 6k probably, that's why I was thinking a custom spec'd cam might be better, but thought I would get the opinion of the members on here.
As far as heads, I was looking at these from Texas-Speed:
1. PRC Stage 2.5 LS6
2. PRC Stage 3 LS6
If you guys have any other suggestions as far as what heads to go with or a cam that would better suit my goals I would appreciate it.
Hopefully you guys can lead me in the right direction and then I can contact the appropriate people to talk with them further about what I want.
Thanks!
Alright, with that said, what heads would you guys suggest to get me on the right track to my goals and would suit a cam with around a lift of .600 (give and take a little) on intake and exhaust, unless Pat would spec it higher, which I doubt.
personally I like to go big on the head, and slightly conservative on cam, but opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has 1, lol.
I dont think you can go wrong with a CNC LS6 head, dont be afraid to mill a bit to get some compression. compression is your freind
I dont think you can go wrong with a CNC LS6 head, dont be afraid to mill a bit to get some compression. compression is your freind
Pretty much any cam you put in there is gonna peak above 6000. Since you don't wan to spin it very high, I would get a set of their CNC 5.3 heads to get your compression close to 11:1, along with TSP 224 cam. Just order their H/C kit that comes with everything you need and pair it up with SS3600 converter and with few suspension mods and a drag radial you should run mid 11 fairly easy and shift point around 6500 or so. Call TSP and they will get you hooked up. You will probably need a built tranny , but , minimum tranny cooler , shift kit and servos.
Choose what heads and stall you want to run, then contact Pat G. State current mods what heads and stall you plan to run, as well as goals and needs. Remember to think about how much maintenance your willing to deal with as well, as with some of the medium to large cams your gonna have to swap springs pretty often. If thats not something ypu want to deal with, your gonna want a smaller cam and some of the best flowing heads you can find.
You can get away with a cooler and not build the trans, nate has been runnin 11.7-8 on motor and 10.8 on spray for two years on a stock 4l60 and a ten bolt with a cooler, deep pan, and a good diff cover.
You can get away with a cooler and not build the trans, nate has been runnin 11.7-8 on motor and 10.8 on spray for two years on a stock 4l60 and a ten bolt with a cooler, deep pan, and a good diff cover.
Last edited by jrob56; Mar 3, 2012 at 10:33 PM.
Pretty much any cam you put in there is gonna peak above 6000. Since you don't wan to spin it very high, I would get a set of their CNC 5.3 heads to get your compression close to 11:1, along with TSP 224 cam. Just order their H/C kit that comes with everything you need and pair it up with SS3600 converter and with few suspension mods and a drag radial you should run mid 11 fairly easy and shift point around 6500 or so. Call TSP and they will get you hooked up. You will probably need a built tranny , but , minimum tranny cooler , shift kit and servos.
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Choose what heads and stall you want to run, then contact Pat G. State current mods what heads and stall you plan to run, as well as goals and needs. Remember to think about how much maintenance your willing to deal with as well, as with some of the medium to large cams your gonna have to swap springs pretty often. If thats not something ypu want to deal with, your gonna want a smaller cam and some of the best flowing heads you can find.
What heads are you thinking? I don't want a huge cam, but I don't want a slightly larger than stock cam either.
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Verdad Gallardo I havent looked at those heads personaly and Im at the bar so I cant right now, but if you want a middle of the road torquey cam to hit 450 you need some heads that are gonna flow. In my opinion, i think what your asking for and what your looking for are different. For a daily driver that rarely sees the track Id want a cam spec'ed for usable power and a broad curve, I could care less about peak horsepower. So pick heads that flow the best you can afford and let Pat G or Predator Z spec you a cam like I said above. Dyno numbers dont mean **** and a cam that peaks 450 and has no usable power for you is gonna leave you disappointed.
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I would look at the Vengeance Racing Vindicator cam also. Makes awesome power for an off the shelf cam
And wait for the new PRC 220 as cast heads to come out
And wait for the new PRC 220 as cast heads to come out
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I think I'm leaning more towards a custome spec'd cam from Pat G. As far as the heads you mentioned, I haven't seen anything on those. Any more info? Release date?
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whats your bore size ?if you have a stock ls1 don't get stage 3 heads.the intake valve is too big and will be too close the cylinder wall.whats your budget ?also look at a vengeance racing head/cam combo.EPS has a good cam for trick flow 220 heads.what intake will you be using ?