The Juggernaut

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Did Pete release the specs?

OSR 1

the exhaust consist of step headers 1 3/4 to 1 7/8
stainless merge collectors,3 inch pipes into y stainless merge collector,with flange to bolt up to your cat back

OSR 1

pete who?

Loudmouth LS1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mrb00formula:
[QB]
2nd car =MrB
2000 firebird m6 mods-Jet-Hot long tubes,y pipe,no cats,spec clutch,10 bolt,absolute heads,hammer cam
car made 397 sae before our cam
car made 410 sae after with ESP 1 (fine tuned today- but rainy weather & FIPK over-oiled!)

<img src="http://www.jailhouse-diary.com/espcompare2.jpg" alt=" - " /></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wait a sec, so your sayin that you tuned it and lost 4 hp? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> I'd be pretty pissed about that!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" />

98ghost4mula

i think the 414hp was without the sae corrected

NoGo

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We were having some problems with Bob's car and the ported MAF. His FIPK and ported MAF were not playing well together. I pulled the ported MAF and put the stock screened MAF (more restrictive) back on. I opted for the more reliable a/f ratio generated by the stock MAF rather than the erratic, sometimes too lean, a/f ratio that was being reported by the MAF.

Sure, we could have put up the 414 HP dyno graph, but that is not how Bob's car left the shop.

Bob drives his car alot. I would rather give him a more reliable tune rather than 4 hp.

For the record. During tuning we had his car at 413 HP at 6000 rpms before we started loosing the MAF signal. If we can dig up a more reliable MAF (like the 85 mm SLP) then I'm Bob's setup has ~420+HP in it.

<small>[ March 06, 2003, 11:43 PM: Message edited by: NoGo ]</small>

Loudmouth LS1

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NoGo:
<strong> We were having some problems with Bob's car and the ported MAF. His FIPK and ported MAF were not playing well together. I pulled the ported MAF and put the stock screened MAF (more restrictive) back on. I opted for the more reliable a/f ratio generated by the stock MAF rather than the erratic, sometimes too lean, a/f ratio that was being reported by the MAF.

Sure, we could have put up the 414 HP dyno graph, but that is not how Bob's car left the shop.

Bob drives his car alot. I would rather give him a more reliable tune rather than 4 hp.

For the record. During tuning we had his car at 413 HP at 6000 rpms before we started loosing the MAF signal. If we can dig up a more reliable MAF (like the 85 mm SLP) then I'm Bob's setup has ~420+HP in it. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm curious, how come you don't descreen the stock one and then tune it, it should give a few extra horsies, and it doesn't give as much of a problem tuning as ported one. Or why not get a Z06 maf, supposedly I heard those are the best for H/C cars cuz they don't give a problem tuning like ported ones, but flow more than stock descreened ls1 maf.

vespid

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OSR 1:
<strong> the exhaust consist of step headers 1 3/4 to 1 7/8
stainless merge collectors,3 inch pipes into y stainless merge collector,with flange to bolt up to your cat back </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are these dynatech headers or custom? It sounds like the specs of the dynatech headers and collectors with the addition of a custom y-pipe. Is that correct?

NoGo

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Loudmouth LS1:
<strong>I'm curious, how come you don't descreen the stock one and then tune it, it should give a few extra horsies, and it doesn't give as much of a problem tuning as ported one. Or why not get a Z06 maf, supposedly I heard those are the best for H/C cars cuz they don't give a problem tuning like ported ones, but flow more than stock descreened ls1 maf. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The FIPK is different than a regular lid. The flow of air is much more turbulent than with a lid. As a result, modified MAF's, or MAF's without a screen usually don't play well with the FIPK.

If Bob's car burned up one day at the track because his ported MAF was innaccurately reporting airflow, then I would feel responsible for that. As such, I feel it is my responsibility to provide the safest tune and setup for Bob's car that I am confident with.
My tunes don't have room for a MAF that will not provide accurate, CONSISTANT fueling. At this time, I feel that a screened MAF will provide the most consistant reading. Whether or not a descreened, LS6, or 85mm MAF will also provide an accurate, consistant reading has yet to be seen. If Bob brings one in one day, then I will be more than happy to slap it on and do the best I can with it.

OliGeorgs

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OSR 1:
<strong> the exhaust consist of step headers 1 3/4 to 1 7/8
stainless merge collectors,3 inch pipes into y stainless merge collector,with flange to bolt up to your cat back </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you, how much does it cost? What is the theory behind the step headers? I´d think that as the exhaust moves further from the engine it cools down taking less volumue.

Mr. B

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Loudmouth LS1:
<strong> Wait a sec, so your sayin that you tuned it and lost 4 hp? I'd be pretty pissed about that!! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The car dyno'ed 414hp in perfect weather conditions, and when I messed up and got oil from the K&N FIPK all over the place that didn't help matters. The ported ends were more trouble than they were worth, and finally- the 26.5lb injectors were starting to say "no mas". The driveability of the car before the tune was that of a twitchy thoroughbred- high strung but fast. The car is now more driveable, idles better, and still has basically the same hp. Many runs were made and like 99% of them were in the 410 range- in extremely lousy weather. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

OSR 1

dyna tech header with a kooks merge andmade more power then a dyna tech merge

scottywheels

I think I might need some of those collectors kenny.

The Juggernaut

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by OSR 1:
<strong> pete who? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Flordia Pete....CNC Pete....Who else could I mean? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

OSR 1

why would he release specs

Darkhalf

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I know your keeping the specs of the cam pretty secret, but could you at least tell us if it has a lot of lift in the cam?
And those with this cam and LS1 Edit what have you been setting the idle at?
Thanks

thechef

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the lift is nothing crazy no piston to valve issues or flycutting needed

got to ask NoGo what he set the idle at with the edit

OSR 1

alot less lift than lgs
because we wanted a cam we could install with 918 to keep price down for custermers
keven runs idle at 1000 rpms
also we installed cam in 01 z28 and with flps it made 410 open headers so it shows that these cam make more power than any one else with the right exhaust open headers shows that our y pipe is making more power than anyone else
also we never tested with short belts

Z06PSI

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What about the N20 guys...like Crush?? What you got for us??????

OSR 1

we have 2 great nos
call me