EL Torro vs. TSP 228r
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ive read before you offer too different ones. One for the vette exhaust and one better for the fbody which is this one? Also do you think its work me sending my 228r cam back and getting this one?
Call Martin and order that badboy. I've had a few cut and they always drive excellent and make very good power
I would say that cam is a mid-size cam and would be very drivable with a good tune. Nothing like a much bigger cam like some that are offered.
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The overlap on the El torro is intake biased, so very little reversion and surging/bucking is not there if tuned properly. Lope is like a popcorn machine, rapid thumpthump. Chrs1313 had a video on his thread.
yes it is daily driveable, I drive my Vette all the time. You can PM rmtt for feedback as well
As for sending the 228r back, that is for you to decide, I know what I would choose.
yes it is daily driveable, I drive my Vette all the time. You can PM rmtt for feedback as well
As for sending the 228r back, that is for you to decide, I know what I would choose.
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Verdad Gallardo The overlap on the El torro is intake biased, so very little reversion and surging/bucking is not there if tuned properly. Lope is like a popcorn machine, rapid thumpthump. Chrs1313 had a video on his thread.
yes it is daily driveable, I drive my Vette all the time. You can PM rmtt for feedback as well
As for sending the 228r back, that is for you to decide, I know what I would choose.
yes it is daily driveable, I drive my Vette all the time. You can PM rmtt for feedback as well
As for sending the 228r back, that is for you to decide, I know what I would choose.
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What heads if you don't mind me asking? How did said vette run In the 1/4mile?
I'm looking for a cam for my GTO.
Ls1
3880 with me in the car.
T56 (same gearing as the z06's)
OEM 3.46 rearend gear.
243 heads that will be worked over by AI to suite whatever camshaft I go with.
Fast 90/90
Pacesetter version 1 LT
UDP
Flowdisaster catbacks (probably will wither change this or at least add cut outs)
Car has already seen lots of nitrous and will continue to see it post H/C. Probably a max of a 150 after heads and cam.
I like the dyno graph above but was wondering if there would be any way to shift the whole tq curve the right about 500 rpm?
My car has already run 11.98@116 with a 75 shot, udp, flowdisaster catback, kn intake, slicks and skinnies, and a small amount of weight reduction. This same setup made 476 ftlbs at the wheel at 3200 rpm which slowly dropped to 400 tq at 6000 rpm. Hp peaked at 403.
My goal is for the H/C/I setup to trap and ET better NA than my current setup does on the spray, and then on the spray to trap somewhere in high 120s to low 130s if possible.
A big cam doesn't scare me in the slightest, but I don't want to give up the stock torque levels found below 3000 rpm, so that will limit things a bit.
I was looking at the torquer v2/3 and came across this cam...hp target if that means anything is 550 to 600 on the spray. Would the el torro be close to ideal?
I'm looking for a cam for my GTO.
Ls1
3880 with me in the car.
T56 (same gearing as the z06's)
OEM 3.46 rearend gear.
243 heads that will be worked over by AI to suite whatever camshaft I go with.
Fast 90/90
Pacesetter version 1 LT
UDP
Flowdisaster catbacks (probably will wither change this or at least add cut outs)
Car has already seen lots of nitrous and will continue to see it post H/C. Probably a max of a 150 after heads and cam.
I like the dyno graph above but was wondering if there would be any way to shift the whole tq curve the right about 500 rpm?
My car has already run 11.98@116 with a 75 shot, udp, flowdisaster catback, kn intake, slicks and skinnies, and a small amount of weight reduction. This same setup made 476 ftlbs at the wheel at 3200 rpm which slowly dropped to 400 tq at 6000 rpm. Hp peaked at 403.
My goal is for the H/C/I setup to trap and ET better NA than my current setup does on the spray, and then on the spray to trap somewhere in high 120s to low 130s if possible.
A big cam doesn't scare me in the slightest, but I don't want to give up the stock torque levels found below 3000 rpm, so that will limit things a bit.
I was looking at the torquer v2/3 and came across this cam...hp target if that means anything is 550 to 600 on the spray. Would the el torro be close to ideal?
Last edited by Bumpin' Yota; Aug 2, 2012 at 08:35 AM.
I have just gotten my car back together with the el torro and love it so far. No track times and tune isn't optimal yet and it feels good even with my 2.73 gears. I'm sure it would work ok with nitrous but I don't think it would be optimal. May not matter too much on that small of a shot. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
I have the El Toro in my 370 (12.1 comp, PRC stage 2.5 5.3 heads, etc) with 4.10 gears (6M) and love it. It is a blast to drive in town and provides great driveability. I would highly recommend it.
I have always been one to like the smallest runner with the greatest flow. Obviously there are tradeoffs, max flow at high lift being one of them. The advantage was higher velocity and generally able to produce better low and mid range torque. Perfect for a street car. That being said, I am trying to decide on a heads/cam setup that is decently mannered on the street as I dd this car, but also performs well at the track. I have a 4k stall and 3.73s. Initial plans are to retain the LS6 intake. Exhaust is in the sig.
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I'm looking for a cam for my GTO.
Ls1
3880 with me in the car.
T56 (same gearing as the z06's)
OEM 3.46 rearend gear.
243 heads that will be worked over by AI to suite whatever camshaft I go with.
Fast 90/90
Pacesetter version 1 LT
UDP
Flowdisaster catbacks (probably will wither change this or at least add cut outs)
Car has already seen lots of nitrous and will continue to see it post H/C. Probably a max of a 150 after heads and cam.
I like the dyno graph above but was wondering if there would be any way to shift the whole tq curve the right about 500 rpm?
My car has already run 11.98@116 with a 75 shot, udp, flowdisaster catback, kn intake, slicks and skinnies, and a small amount of weight reduction. This same setup made 476 ftlbs at the wheel at 3200 rpm which slowly dropped to 400 tq at 6000 rpm. Hp peaked at 403.
My goal is for the H/C/I setup to trap and ET better NA than my current setup does on the spray, and then on the spray to trap somewhere in high 120s to low 130s if possible.
A big cam doesn't scare me in the slightest, but I don't want to give up the stock torque levels found below 3000 rpm, so that will limit things a bit.
I was looking at the torquer v2/3 and came across this cam...hp target if that means anything is 550 to 600 on the spray. Would the el torro be close to ideal?
Ls1
3880 with me in the car.
T56 (same gearing as the z06's)
OEM 3.46 rearend gear.
243 heads that will be worked over by AI to suite whatever camshaft I go with.
Fast 90/90
Pacesetter version 1 LT
UDP
Flowdisaster catbacks (probably will wither change this or at least add cut outs)
Car has already seen lots of nitrous and will continue to see it post H/C. Probably a max of a 150 after heads and cam.
I like the dyno graph above but was wondering if there would be any way to shift the whole tq curve the right about 500 rpm?
My car has already run 11.98@116 with a 75 shot, udp, flowdisaster catback, kn intake, slicks and skinnies, and a small amount of weight reduction. This same setup made 476 ftlbs at the wheel at 3200 rpm which slowly dropped to 400 tq at 6000 rpm. Hp peaked at 403.
My goal is for the H/C/I setup to trap and ET better NA than my current setup does on the spray, and then on the spray to trap somewhere in high 120s to low 130s if possible.
A big cam doesn't scare me in the slightest, but I don't want to give up the stock torque levels found below 3000 rpm, so that will limit things a bit.
I was looking at the torquer v2/3 and came across this cam...hp target if that means anything is 550 to 600 on the spray. Would the el torro be close to ideal?
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I have just gotten my car back together with the el torro and love it so far. No track times and tune isn't optimal yet and it feels good even with my 2.73 gears. I'm sure it would work ok with nitrous but I don't think it would be optimal. May not matter too much on that small of a shot. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Im VEEEERY tempted to grab 4.10s for my GTO. Any track times/traps? And not that it really matters, but what kinda MPG's ya getting?
I will gladly share times when I get them. Tune is coming along. Idle and part throttle are much better now, driveability is great. Feels really strong in first but almost seems to fall on it's face when it goes to 2nd. I have a feeling it's the 2.73 gears making if feel that way. I'm actually thinking about putting a 4.56 gear in it and running a 28" tire. Loving the cam though.
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What heads if you don't mind me asking? How did said vette run In the 1/4mile?
I'm looking for a cam for my GTO.
Ls1
3880 with me in the car.
T56 (same gearing as the z06's)
OEM 3.46 rearend gear.
243 heads that will be worked over by AI to suite whatever camshaft I go with.
Fast 90/90
Pacesetter version 1 LT
UDP
Flowdisaster catbacks (probably will wither change this or at least add cut outs)
Car has already seen lots of nitrous and will continue to see it post H/C. Probably a max of a 150 after heads and cam.
I like the dyno graph above but was wondering if there would be any way to shift the whole tq curve the right about 500 rpm?
My car has already run 11.98@116 with a 75 shot, udp, flowdisaster catback, kn intake, slicks and skinnies, and a small amount of weight reduction. This same setup made 476 ftlbs at the wheel at 3200 rpm which slowly dropped to 400 tq at 6000 rpm. Hp peaked at 403.
My goal is for the H/C/I setup to trap and ET better NA than my current setup does on the spray, and then on the spray to trap somewhere in high 120s to low 130s if possible.
A big cam doesn't scare me in the slightest, but I don't want to give up the stock torque levels found below 3000 rpm, so that will limit things a bit.
I was looking at the torquer v2/3 and came across this cam...hp target if that means anything is 550 to 600 on the spray. Would the el torro be close to ideal?
I'm looking for a cam for my GTO.
Ls1
3880 with me in the car.
T56 (same gearing as the z06's)
OEM 3.46 rearend gear.
243 heads that will be worked over by AI to suite whatever camshaft I go with.
Fast 90/90
Pacesetter version 1 LT
UDP
Flowdisaster catbacks (probably will wither change this or at least add cut outs)
Car has already seen lots of nitrous and will continue to see it post H/C. Probably a max of a 150 after heads and cam.
I like the dyno graph above but was wondering if there would be any way to shift the whole tq curve the right about 500 rpm?
My car has already run 11.98@116 with a 75 shot, udp, flowdisaster catback, kn intake, slicks and skinnies, and a small amount of weight reduction. This same setup made 476 ftlbs at the wheel at 3200 rpm which slowly dropped to 400 tq at 6000 rpm. Hp peaked at 403.
My goal is for the H/C/I setup to trap and ET better NA than my current setup does on the spray, and then on the spray to trap somewhere in high 120s to low 130s if possible.
A big cam doesn't scare me in the slightest, but I don't want to give up the stock torque levels found below 3000 rpm, so that will limit things a bit.
I was looking at the torquer v2/3 and came across this cam...hp target if that means anything is 550 to 600 on the spray. Would the el torro be close to ideal?
Also El Toro is not a drag cam. It was designed as a strong street cam, more for Vettes than f-bodies (due to exhaust difference). It does well under certain parameters but not for what you are looking for IMO.