post up more pics as you go, also maybe flick Tony Mamo a p.m. he's the dogs nuts on AFR stuff 
A little pre-Christmas present
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A little pre-Christmas present Just got myself a set of AFR 205cc heads that were hand ported by Rev Extreme. They have been milled to 60cc (I'm going to have this checked by my builder), so that's going to kind of limit me on what cam I end up going with. If there is anyone out there running AFR heads milled to 60cc, I'd love to know what cam you are running and what numbers you're making. I will be having Ed Curtis at Flowtech Indcution spec out the cam for me. I've still got to contact Ed about the cam and get the rest of my parts ordered, but she should go under the knife in February. Here are a few pics of the heads.
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I still don't know how Dr. Whigam is running a 229/236 112+2 LSA cam with his AFR 205cc heads that have been milled to 59cc.
Nice! Only thing that had me weary about this set is a shop I never heard of messed with an already outstanding set of heads. Hopefully it all works out for ya, ill keep an eye out for results.
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These heads, on a 01 Vette, LS6 intake and a 224/228 cam made over 440rwhp to the tires. I'm pretty sure these things flow better than out of the box AFR 205's. I'll be purchasing the rest of the parts this weekend and into next week and should have everything bought by mid January. I hope to have the build complete by the 2nd week of February. I can't wait.
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I will keep this thread updated as I continue to collect more parts. My next major step is to e-mail Ed Curtis and pick his brain. I have a few ideas in mind regarding the size of cam I want to run, but I want to make damn sure whatever cam I go with is going to fit without the need to flycut. The biggest I want to go would be a 230/232 111 LSA, but I'm not sure it would fit. I'm sure Ed will be able to give me a good idea if it will fit. I will also be using GM MLS gaskets, which I believe are .054.
If anyone has a setup with heads milled to 60cc, please come in.
If anyone has a setup with heads milled to 60cc, please come in.
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These heads, on a 01 Vette, LS6 intake and a 224/228 cam made over 440rwhp to the tires. I'm pretty sure these things flow better than out of the box AFR 205's. I'll be purchasing the rest of the parts this weekend and into next week and should have everything bought by mid January. I hope to have the build complete by the 2nd week of February. I can't wait.
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I'm running a GM MLS gasket, if that helps. I'm right at 11.7 static and 8.5 dynamic, iirc. I wanted to flycut and run a Cometic .040, but I'd be too far over on the dynamic side of the house, and with my shortblock having 145k miles, I was a bit weery of pissing a ringland. WAS....
Now, if I could do it over again, I'd order the Lindy tools (2 needed) @ 88.50 each, flycut .080 on both intake and exhaust, and be done with it.
Shame on me, but I never did measure. I know on the dyno when the clutch started letting go we smacked the **** out of the limiter at 6800 several times and she still runs strong as hell. I very well may have slight eyebrows in the pistons for all I know.
I agree with going with a custom cam, but let Ed spec it completely. I personally wouldn't even bother telling him ANY #'s.... You know how he is, lol. Just let him choose it.
Now if you're **** makes more than mine, I'm gonna be pissed! LMAO
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Didn't get to see what springs were on it. I imagine you plan on running trunion upgraded rockers. Get the Tooley Platinum spring kit and be done with it. They have a seat pressure of 155, which is "normally" what Ed's cams require, are cheap as hell, and Brian hasn't heard of a single failure yet.
I myself have an install height of 1.750 with .030 shims under each seat. IIRC they install stock @ 1.780
Now, if I could do it over again, I'd order the Lindy tools (2 needed) @ 88.50 each, flycut .080 on both intake and exhaust, and be done with it.
Shame on me, but I never did measure. I know on the dyno when the clutch started letting go we smacked the **** out of the limiter at 6800 several times and she still runs strong as hell. I very well may have slight eyebrows in the pistons for all I know.
I agree with going with a custom cam, but let Ed spec it completely. I personally wouldn't even bother telling him ANY #'s.... You know how he is, lol. Just let him choose it.
Now if you're **** makes more than mine, I'm gonna be pissed! LMAO
**EDIT**
Didn't get to see what springs were on it. I imagine you plan on running trunion upgraded rockers. Get the Tooley Platinum spring kit and be done with it. They have a seat pressure of 155, which is "normally" what Ed's cams require, are cheap as hell, and Brian hasn't heard of a single failure yet.
I myself have an install height of 1.750 with .030 shims under each seat. IIRC they install stock @ 1.780
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I think I remember seeing a thread you started about this. When I have more time today, I'll check the threads you've started to see if I can find it, and if not, I'll shoot you a PM. My builder said he can check it for me, but if I can do it at home tonight, that's what I'll do.
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I'm running a GM MLS gasket, if that helps. I'm right at 11.7 static and 8.5 dynamic, iirc. I wanted to flycut and run a Cometic .040, but I'd be too far over on the dynamic side of the house, and with my shortblock having 145k miles, I was a bit weery of pissing a ringland. WAS....
Now, if I could do it over again, I'd order the Lindy tools (2 needed) @ 88.50 each, flycut .080 on both intake and exhaust, and be done with it.
Shame on me, but I never did measure. I know on the dyno when the clutch started letting go we smacked the **** out of the limiter at 6800 several times and she still runs strong as hell. I very well may have slight eyebrows in the pistons for all I know.
I agree with going with a custom cam, but let Ed spec it completely. I personally wouldn't even bother telling him ANY #'s.... You know how he is, lol. Just let him choose it.
Now if you're **** makes more than mine, I'm gonna be pissed! LMAO
**EDIT**
Didn't get to see what springs were on it. I imagine you plan on running trunion upgraded rockers. Get the Tooley Platinum spring kit and be done with it. They have a seat pressure of 155, which is "normally" what Ed's cams require, are cheap as hell, and Brian hasn't heard of a single failure yet.
I myself have an install height of 1.750 with .030 shims under each seat. IIRC they install stock @ 1.780
Now, if I could do it over again, I'd order the Lindy tools (2 needed) @ 88.50 each, flycut .080 on both intake and exhaust, and be done with it.
Shame on me, but I never did measure. I know on the dyno when the clutch started letting go we smacked the **** out of the limiter at 6800 several times and she still runs strong as hell. I very well may have slight eyebrows in the pistons for all I know.
I agree with going with a custom cam, but let Ed spec it completely. I personally wouldn't even bother telling him ANY #'s.... You know how he is, lol. Just let him choose it.
Now if you're **** makes more than mine, I'm gonna be pissed! LMAO
**EDIT**
Didn't get to see what springs were on it. I imagine you plan on running trunion upgraded rockers. Get the Tooley Platinum spring kit and be done with it. They have a seat pressure of 155, which is "normally" what Ed's cams require, are cheap as hell, and Brian hasn't heard of a single failure yet.
I myself have an install height of 1.750 with .030 shims under each seat. IIRC they install stock @ 1.780
I was hoping you'd come in. I too, will be running GM MLS gaskets, which I got, brand new, with the heads. The guy who's doing the build for me will not flycut, so that's out of the question. My plan is to give Ed some input on relatively what size cam I'd like and that I want it on a 110 or 111 LSA and let him do the rest. Ed will know how big of a cam I can safely run, so I'm not too worried about that. Once I get 100% clarification on exactly what "cc" the chambers are, that's when I'll start talking to Ed. I would love for them to be around 62cc or 63cc, but I'm pretty sure the stamping on one of the heads says 60cc. If it is, then no big deal. The springs are the upgraded AFR springs, so they will be good for whatever intake/exhaust lift numbers Ed comes up with. I will do the trunion upgrade on the stock rockers. Better to be safe than sorry.
My motor right now sits at 46,000 miles. The numbers you made Dr. Whigam were outstanding, given the cam you had was by no means a "donkey dick" cam, but you are running a FAST intake, and I will not be; at least not yet.
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Thanks, man. I'm not quite done. Just worked a price list with Martin for a Monster 2 and tick MC... Got my new 42# injectors sitting waiting to go, and my Racetronix pump just got to the house yesterday.
My graph was a bit lean, so the fueling is definately taken care of now. You can't beat the price on the white Bosch 3's that came in the supercharged grand prix's
My graph was a bit lean, so the fueling is definately taken care of now. You can't beat the price on the white Bosch 3's that came in the supercharged grand prix's
I just remember seeing the 66cc AFR Heads have .010-.015 more clearance than stock heads. Milled down .036" with a .040" gasket I would think you could run a 228/232 on a 110 ICL without too much problem. But you'll have way too much compression. If you run a slightly larger cam on a 111-112 ICl you'd probably be ok still. I was thinking of the 215s with 2.055" valves. They have less ptv than stock.
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I just remember seeing the 66cc AFR Heads have .010-.015 more clearance than stock heads. Milled down .036" with a .040" gasket I would think you could run a 228/232 on a 110 ICL without too much problem. But you'll have way too much compression. If you run a slightly larger cam on a 111-112 ICl you'd probably be ok still. I was thinking of the 215s with 2.055" valves. They have less ptv than stock.