Hi Guys,

So I am less than 24hrs. away from ordering up all of my parts and I call a local tuner to get some knowledge of his history on his shop and if he is familiar with my cam setup etc.

Car background- Stock cube LS1, Ls6 intake, Dual springs, TSP 1 3/4 LT, ORY, Borla cat back, LPE CNC'd heads flow 314@ .600 int. & 228@.600 exh. and just as good numbers down low.

-Plan was to go with the TSP Torquer V2 and then I called TSP and they convinced to go with the Texas Speed Torquer V3 231/234 .643/.598 111LSA which I was ok with and they assured me drivability will be fairly easy except for a little clutch work in a parking lot, No big deal so I told my local tuner who deals with many many LSx engines and told him this was going to be a daily driver etc. He told me id end up kicking myself in the *** for going with that cam because it will be burping and farting going down the interstate and will not be able to really ever use 6th. Said I wont have any down low torque to pull itself down the road just cruising but once I hit 3500RPM it will take off like a rocket woo hoo. Well as we all know 6th is a low gear and runs 1800ish at 70. I want to be able to use 6th gear and get around 25 MPG +/-. He said if I go with this cam I will see more like 16-18MPG. I dont like the idea of not using 6th in the 60mph + area and I do not like 16-18mpg. Is he blowing smoke up my *** or is he right with most of this?? He suggests something more along the lines of 230/224 .590/.550 113LSA and says I will see the Torque come in much earlier and be able to cruise in 6th and may lose 5-6hp at peak around 6500rpm which I wont feel in the seat of my pants anyways and is worth being able to have drivability back. I dont want to buy a cam too small and wish I went bigger. But I dont want the car to be a pain in the *** to cruise with and get shitty fuel mileage. He assures ill maintain around 25mpg with his suggestion of a cam. What do you all think?

 

I think he's full of ****.......if ur looking into a drivability cam torquer v3 is one of them it's not that big of a cam but makes pretty good power, any cam u put losses mpg no matter what but in a side note drivability will depend all in ur tuner, if ur tuner sucks at tuning any cam big or small will feel like ****

 

Go with the smaller cam. Especially for a daily driver.

 

find another tuner.

 

I run the Torquer 2 with my setup, and it's a great overall cam IMO! I have great drivability as low as 1500 rpm, no real surging of bucking to speak of, and great overall power and sound if you ask me. I think you will love this cam if the car is tuned right

 

He's actually right. A good tuner can cover up some of it, but that cam isn't a perfect driver's cam. The bucking by 1600 RPM should be gone, but anything under 1500 is going to be like that and there's not much a tune can do with the older LS1 computer and the high overlap of that cam. Doing it in 2nd or 3rd gear will be even worse.

The 230/224 is decent, and I know some like the reverse split, but you could just go 230/230 113 and it'd be fine. Depending on the lobe used, you'd probably actually gain top end with a 230 and the 113 LSA since it'd peak later.

 

just curious, are you from Houston? we have a lot of bullshit tuners around here. Especially "craigslist tuners" they're always full of ****. I'd run the cam... i run a 231/238 on a 113+3 and it chops like a **** and drives easy for being dyno tuned... with my unfinished SD tune it drives even better but like i said, it's not complete yet

 

Thank you for the input, ive talked to a few different people on the phone and to one of the camshaft manufactures that supply to summit and competition products etc. and he was difficult to work with but he suggested a 226/232 .578/.587. on a 112LSA. I understand im going to lose fuel mileage but 16-18mpg hwy seems quite extreme. Id be happy with 23+mpg just cruising. I dont mind having to keep it above 1700rpm's in any gear but I want to be able to cruise at 60mph in 6th gear. Suggestions?? is that doable with the Torquer V2 at 232/234 .595/.598? Which LSA would be recommended... I was told the TV2 and a 114LSA should keep me in the cruise in 6th no problem and maintain some fuel mileage?? Anyone disagree? Or cam suggestions where I have that cool lope at idle and make some 430+/- Rwhp numbers but can cruise in 6th and get 23+mpg???

 

I know a few people runing cams along the lines of that. 226/230. 237/235. Even had one that was 237/242 111 lsa. A good tune made the all drive decent. They all could use 6th gear on the hwy. the big cam was even in a car with 3.42. Which was a crap combo but it still drive ok with a decent tune. I would run it. If he can make it drive right find someone who can.

 

Awesome, So I guess im kind of leaning going with the Torquer V2 since the Torquer V3 is only available in 111LSA which sounds like is going to kill my lower end torque and my fuel mileage. does a 232/234 .595/.598 still sound too aggressive for my wants out of this car as far as drivability? Also as I understand it LSA determines where my peak is... Im going to set rev at 6500 and it wont see 6500 often at all. It will usually see shifts at >3500 So therefore I will want my torque/HP to come in earlier which would mean I would want an LSA closer to maybe 114 and that will also help with my fuel mileage? Am I right or what would you suggest?

 

Talk to Martin at Tick. He will give you the time and attention you need, explain everything and set you up with the best cam for your application.

 

Thank you Dactari!

I agree with Diet Coke and GreenVortec97, find another tuner.

We have customers with Polluter cams that DD them.

LSA by itself has little to do with where a cam peaks.

 

I'm thinking on getting the pollutor cam from u Martin just doing the research before I make my decision

 

If you have any questions or concerns about cam selection just give me a call at the shop or PM me. I don't want to clutter up the OP's thread too much with my advertisement.

 

Alright I'll send u a pm right meow

 

I currently runa .230/.230 112 LSA cam on XER and XFI lobes and it is a great driveabiltiy cam. As Jake Fusion said earlier, it'd be even better on a 113-114 LSA for city driving. I am able to lope around town @1100 all day long, and use 6th on the highway to return 25+ MPG. The one draw back is the XER lobes can be tough on lifters and springs. Other than that, it's a nice driver cam.

That said, Martin Tick will get you a great setup for your ride.

 

Custom Ed Curtis cam here. No drive ability problems whatsoever. Like others have said, it's all in the tune. Period. Geoff @ EPS tuned my car and its absolutely great. Get with your local guys and find a respected tuner, or make the drive to Baton Rouge. Hell, PatG is probably closer to you.

 

I would just widen the LSA to 113.

 

Thank you for all of the input everyone. I talked to Martin and he was super helpful and i learned tons from him! He is definitely a stand up guy and we need more people like him in our society, wish i lived closer to tick and get to shake his hand. Tick will always have my business... actually made a purchase from them today. After the reviews and talking to members who have very similar setups to mine and the cam i chose ive decided that its exactly what i was shooting for with my cam swap. I did go with the torquer v2 on 112lsa and very confident in my decision. I figured if its too much or not enough for me then the first place im going is getting a hold of martin and getting a cam from him. After talking to members with the torquer v2 it sounds right what i was looking for. After i get my install complete and the snow melts and roads are clean i will update with my results.